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sc94597 said:
TheWPCTraveler said:
So, how much did your parents actually earn in a year? My bet is that if your family moved to the Philippines while retaining that income, you'd be comfortably in the middle class.


My mom made something like $10,000 before taxes, and a few more thousand under the table. Right now she lives in New Jersey and makes $15,000, but her expenses are significantly more there. My dad's income varied greatly over the years. At its peak before I was born he made $80,000. Right now he makes something like $20,000 in New York City, which isn't much at all there. 

So, your mother makes PHP ~690k, while your father makes PHP ~920k. So, thats PHP ~1610k. That's roughly in the ballpark of my family's income.

Yup, you'll land squarely in the middle class here: the highest tax bracket starts at PHP 500k. My family (of five) is actually wealthy enough to have one car and be seriously considering the purchase of an SUV (?!) here, plus I get to buy quite a few games.



 
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Honestly, I think the US should revise its entire system for benefits. It sounds way to complicated and full of bureaucracy and should be simplified.



It's a capitalistic society that values things and money above almost everything else. If you are poor, you are treated like crap. It's all about the monetary worth of someone and the worth of what they own. It's more of a culture thing.



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In the USA, you're either one of these three things

Homeless, Poor, or Rich.

 hard earned tax dollars help pay for food stamps, medicare, education, and making rent affordable. If you're single, and the more hours you put into your paycheck, the more tax you must pay.



Dusk said:
It's a capitalistic society that values things and money above almost everything else. If you are poor, you are treated like crap. It's all about the monetary worth of someone and the worth of what they own. It's more of a culture thing.


This is ridiculous. There are so many other things Americans care about than things and money, not that these joys in life are bad thing. Additionally, one of the merits of the U.S is that social class doesn't exist to the extent of economic class. Doctors and waiters can be best friends, and often are. So I don't know where you got the impression the poor are treated like crap. Also can you name me a first world country that doesn't incorporate capitalist modes of production?



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sc94597 said:
Dusk said:
It's a capitalistic society that values things and money above almost everything else. If you are poor, you are treated like crap. It's all about the monetary worth of someone and the worth of what they own. It's more of a culture thing.


This is ridiculous. There are so many other things Americans care about than things and money, not that these joys in life are bad thing. Additionally, one of the merits of the U.S is that social class doesn't exist to the extent of economic class. Doctors and waiters can be best friends, and often are. So I don't know where you got the impression the poor are treated like crap. Also can you name me a first world country that doesn't incorporate capitalist modes of production?

Americans as people yes. As a culture and social system, not so much. That's what it's based on. 

Just because someone is a waiter, it doesn't make them poor. Just because someone is a Doctor, it doesn't make them rich. 

I'm talking poor. Below poverty. That of course has its merit in different parts of the country as well and with how much the classes vary can be a factor too. I'm not American, but I have traveled through much of the US and from my personal experiences, that is what I saw. It's how people were treated, how they were looked at. People that lived in poor parts of areas weren't treated well. 

China. Of course the use of first, second, third world countries isn't really used anymore. China has becomes the worlds largest economy. 



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Dusk said:
sc94597 said:


This is ridiculous. There are so many other things Americans care about than things and money, not that these joys in life are bad thing. Additionally, one of the merits of the U.S is that social class doesn't exist to the extent of economic class. Doctors and waiters can be best friends, and often are. So I don't know where you got the impression the poor are treated like crap. Also can you name me a first world country that doesn't incorporate capitalist modes of production?

Americans as people yes. As a culture and social system, not so much. That's what it's based on. 

Just because someone is a waiter, it doesn't make them poor. Just because someone is a Doctor, it doesn't make them rich. 

I'm talking poor. Below poverty. That of course has its merit in different parts of the country as well and with how much the classes vary can be a factor too. I'm not American, but I have traveled through much of the US and from my personal experiences, that is what I saw. It's how people were treated, how they were looked at. People that lived in poor parts of areas weren't treated well. 

China. Of course the use of first, second, third world countries isn't really used anymore. China has becomes the worlds largest economy. 

The majority of waiters are below the poverty line. The majority of doctors make more than 100k. The U.S is number one for voluntary charity. I have never experienced being treated poorly because of the income of my family. Sure impoverished areas are looked own upon, but that is more due to the associated cultures that the income level. 

 

China adopted capitalist modes of production in the 1980s. The effect was that their people stopped starving. Meanwhile in capitalist Hong Kong, the freest market in the world, the income levels of the population increased at unprecedented rates, and the quality of life was much better than mainland China. 



I've seen true poor people in places like the Middle East and Africa. Being poor in the United States is a blessing and amounts to living like a king in many other countries.



sc94597 said:
Dusk said:

Americans as people yes. As a culture and social system, not so much. That's what it's based on. 

Just because someone is a waiter, it doesn't make them poor. Just because someone is a Doctor, it doesn't make them rich. 

I'm talking poor. Below poverty. That of course has its merit in different parts of the country as well and with how much the classes vary can be a factor too. I'm not American, but I have traveled through much of the US and from my personal experiences, that is what I saw. It's how people were treated, how they were looked at. People that lived in poor parts of areas weren't treated well. 

China. Of course the use of first, second, third world countries isn't really used anymore. China has becomes the worlds largest economy. 

The majority of waiters are below the poverty line. The majority of doctors make more than 100k. The U.S is number one for voluntary charity. I have never experienced being treated poorly because of the income of my family. Sure impoverished areas are looked own upon, but that is more due to the associated cultures that the income level. 

 

China adopted capitalist modes of production in the 1980s. The effect was that their people stopped starving. Meanwhile in capitalist Hong Kong, the freest market in the world, the income levels of the population increased at unprecedented rates, and the quality of life was much better than mainland China. 

I'm not worried about the majority of either. Impoverished fall under the poor do they not? I'm only speaking of my experiences. It's not only the impoverished. Certain areas in Manhattan are looked down apon because of the area they live in. In Phoenix, if someone doesn't have a pool, they aren't important. The places where this seems to matter the least from my experiences are tourist areas. This might be a generalization, but it's my own experinces on it. It's not singular, but bigger picture. 

China is a socialist economy. You asked a question, I gave you an answer. I'm not saying that everybody's quality of life is the same. I'm talking about how it's perceived by the culture. People will be people. A person might view themselves as better or worse than another, but it's different when society does it. This happens all over the place, but the worst I have seen it is in the US from my experinces. Oddly enough the least I have personally seen it is in Cuba. It was really interesting.



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"So what are the poor missing out on in the U.S that makes people from other countries so scared of being poor here?"

Well, for starters, compared to every other 1st World country, the American health care system is an abomination.  Everybody gets sick or injured sooner or later; I'd rather that happen in a country with good health care.

Plus there's the problem of rampant proliferation of firearms which makes the poorer areas far more dangerous than those of, well, just about every other 1st-World country out there.  Rather not catch a stray bullet and wind up at the mercy of the American health care system.  

And finally, the GOP basically tries to make your life harder just because your life was hard to begin with.  There's a party like this in every country, but the GOP have collectively lost their minds and that makes them deserving of distinction.  They'd surely block any effort to actually improve things for the nation's poor, if only out of spite.

It's better to be poor in the US than, say, Mexico, but of the 1st World countries, the US is the last one I'd want to be poor in.