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SpokenTruth said:

So....I'd need to download the game at your hourse to play it with you?

Great, so what do we do while we wait?  Oh, I know. I brought a physical copy of the game with me.


Yeah. Or they could allow stream sharing. Or they could do nothing, because what you are describing is not a deal breaker for 99.999% of consumers.



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Yeah because their benefit is that
When they see it has no benefit they will swap it under the rug



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I Hate PLAYSTATION PLUS

If the NX truly is all digital. Then these are the conditions that need to be met for me to even consider it.
1) Digital copies are, by default, cheaper to purchase than their physical counterparts, in all all games areas, and genres, both AAA and niche.
2) the time it takes for the game to fully install is damn near instantaneous. Just as fast if not faster than inserting a physical copy of game into the disk drive or SD card slot. Because eShop downloads on both to the 3DS and Wii U are CRIMINALLY slow.when I bought my digital copy of Super Mario 3D World back when the game came out, it took me a good 2 hours before I could play the game. Within that time, I could've driven down to my local GameStop, which is 20 minutes away, bought the game physically, drive back to my house, and play it before the digital version was finished installing.

Batman: Arkham City on the Wii U, took me 10 hours, 10 HOURS, before I could play it. I could've driven to Phoenix, which is a 2 hour drive from where I live, bought a physical copy from any sort up there. Go to Chae Field for 3 hours to watch a Diamondbacks baseball game, drive the 2 hours back, and be ready to play the game before it finished installing! And that's with good internet!

3) If the storage within the system is so big and the games themselves take up so little space that I can have close to 30-50 games installed and still have plenty of room for more games if I want to. On a console that only has 32 gb of storage, that's only up to 2-4 games tops that you can fit in, before having to invest in an external hard drive, as opposed to just to buying all my Wii U games physically and not have to worry about the storage filling out, anytime soon!

Same goes for the 3DS, Xenoblade Chronicles 3D would've taken up ALL of my storage and memory on my New 3DS XL if I had gone the digital route with that game! I went the physical route, and Ibe still got lots of space leftover for essential all the 3DS physical games I want!

If all 3 of those conditions are met successfully, and  not a moment sooner, I'll consider going all digital for NX.
Until then the answer is: Hell No!



All this digital talk makes me want to vomit. I guess I'm a active steam user because my laptops automatically sign me in every time I log in. I bet I haven't given them $10 though in the last 10 months I have had an account. I can't wait to get some small run physical copies.



PAOerfulone said:

If the NX truly is all digital. Then these are the conditions that need to be met for me to even consider it.
1) Digital copies are, by default, cheaper to purchase than their physical counterparts, in all all games areas, and genres, both AAA and niche.
2) the time it takes for the game to fully install is damn near instantaneous. Just as fast if not faster than inserting a physical copy of game into the disk drive or SD card slot. Because eShop downloads on both to the 3DS and Wii U are CRIMINALLY slow.when I bought my digital copy of Super Mario 3D World back when the game came out, it took me a good 2 hours before I could play the game. Within that time, I could've driven down to my local GameStop, which is 20 minutes away, bought the game physically, drive back to my house, and play it before the digital version was finished installing.

Batman: Arkham City on the Wii U, took me 10 hours, 10 HOURS, before I could play it. I could've driven to Phoenix, which is a 2 hour drive from where I live, bought a physical copy from any sort up there. Go to Chae Field for 3 hours to watch a Diamondbacks baseball game, drive the 2 hours back, and be ready to play the game before it finished installing! And that's with good internet!

3) If the storage within the system is so big and the games themselves take up so little space that I can have close to 30-50 games installed and still have plenty of room for more games if I want to. On a console that only has 32 gb of storage, that's only up to 2-4 games tops that you can fit in, before having to invest in an external hard drive, as opposed to just to buying all my Wii U games physically and not have to worry about the storage filling out, anytime soon!

Same goes for the 3DS, Xenoblade Chronicles 3D would've taken up ALL of my storage and memory on my New 3DS XL if I had gone the digital route with that game! I went the physical route, and Ibe still got lots of space leftover for essential all the 3DS physical games I want!

If all 3 of those conditions are met successfully, and  not a moment sooner, I'll consider going all digital for NX.
Until then the answer is: Hell No!


#1 won't happen. Not with Nintendo games. Nintendo already made their stance on the value of digital games abundantly clear. Where the discounts will come from are is the membership program that will offer cheaper prices to consumers who buy more, as well as sales, promotions, recommendations, and mark downs. But you're not going to see a game that would have been $60 physically launch for $50 just because its digital. Not from Nintendo, anyway. Maybe 3rd parties will start to do it, but Nintendo has gone on the record saying that they won't. Don't like it? Buy something else. There will be more than enough people who will.

#2 also won't happen. Not with the NX. That's just something people will have to get over. There are already things being done to make it more convenient, such as preloading a game before launch and being able to play other games while your new game loads in the background, but if you think that they're will be some magical solution that will stop download times, you'll either have to get over the fact that that's wrong, or get something else. Eshop download times are fine. They aren't slower or faster than any other game download service. There's more than enough people who can deal with download times to make up for you who can't.

#3 - They'll likely make the storage for both either quite large if they're smart, or quite small encouraging people to buy their own memory if they aren't. XB3D is your fault, not Nintendo's. It costs like $10 now to buy a 32GB SD card that makes XB3D look like a storage joke. If I had to guess, I'd say that the NX will have a 1TB HDD, while the NXDS will have a 64GB micro SD card. If that isn't enough for you and you aren't independant enough to buy your own larger storage size like the rest of the world, don't buy an NX. Plenty of people will be fine with this set up.

Nintendo doesn't care about your hell no when every form of media, including gaming, has hundreds of millions of people who are already all digital and will gladly say yes in your place.



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SpokenTruth said:


I've already explained that. The platform they've described is impossible to do effectively and gracefully without being digital only. Everything they're doing is optimized for a platform that is only digital - most pressing example being the membership program.



I'm not the only one saying Hell No.

https://youtu.be/zjHMf7tRcZ8 + everyone else with the exception of you who has said Hell No.
Alpha is essentially playing damage control here! The reason he asked "Is this a deal breaker for you?" Is because he knows what I and countless other have told you right now, that YES this IS a deal breaker for a lot of people.

Hundreds of millions?!? In what realm does one gaming system sell hundreds of millions?!?
Literally every single person on this video, in this forum, and countless others have all screamed no at the idea.
If you STILL can't see how much fire Nintendo is playing with here, even after all the stats, evidence, and arguments that every single person you have argued with have told you as to why this is such a terrible idea, than I honestly don't know what will.
If you still honestly think that 75+%  of console gamers who prefer physical will magically shift to digital in the span of 1 year because of one system, you're out of your mind.
I'm done here.



SpokenTruth said:

You mean the upcoming membership program that uses a single NNID across multiple devices?  Kind of exactly how the Wii U and 3DS currently do?  Devices that do both physical and digital media.


The Wii U and 3DS do not do what the membership program will do. Like, not at all. Nothing out today does. It's not simply an ID program. It's a giant project that is core to the NX platform. Do the Wii U and 3DS NNID offer flexible pricing on game purchases? No. Do they reward players who purchase more titles with cheaper prices? No. Do they offer rewards for recommendating games to other players? No. Those types of features can only be done in a controlled marketplace, wich means the eshop for Nintendo, which means digital only. A digital only membership program that is confirmed to be a core part of the NX is not going to exist on a compomised platform.

And again, the unified platform kills physical. Every NX game working on all hardware skews isn't happening with physical. Not in the way Nintendo described it, which explicitely said it would be a digital solution. Miyamoto lirerally said that. Anything else would be clunky, unintuitive, expensive, and detrimental to the unified platform. The counter argument to the NX being all digital was lost the moment the first internet dweller said cart and NX in the same sentence, and was being serious. That is the literal grasping at straws, and it's embarassing to watch.

The membership points to digital. The patent confirms digital. The unified platform genesis confirms digital. Miyamoto confirms digital. Literally everything Nintendo has said about the NX points to it being an all digital platform, and there's been not one peice of compelling evidence countering that. Only people on forums sad that they'll jump on the NX digital only bandwagon as soon as their next favorite franchise appears on it. Then, just like with everything, they'll be revisionists and act like they saw how brilliant it was from the beginning, saying its the biggest thing to hit gaming since online gaming. And they'll be right. But they'll also be hypocrits. I won't be, though. I'll just be cooking crow for everyone in the kitchen.

Either way, you remind me of something. I need to make a thread of NX digital platform bullet points so I don't have to keep repeating myself to people like you who don't bother to read previous pages in the thread, yet try to bring up points I had already gone into great detail about, like the Membership program, which I've detailed about three other times in this thread alone. Then I can just send you guys the link.



Nintendo has like 99 bigger problems than their software media.

All three offer digital software downloads if that's all you want, so that's not a game changer for anyone.



I expect Playstation 5 to be 7-10x more powerful than the PS4, 24GB of HBM RAM, 4K resolution console and yes it probably will support physical discs (4K Blu-Rays). $399.99, fall 2018 release (MS will force their hand a bit). PSNow will become more of a feature. 

MS I think will go digital only and allow for playable PC games, trying to beat Steam/Steambox at their own game with XBox Next. 

Nintendo I don't know, and honestly I don't think it really matters one way or another for them all that much. Their format is not one of their bigger issues, maybe if it was 1995, ok yes, but it's not these days.