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Samus Aran said:
Ali_16x said:
Samus Aran said:
Normchacho said:
Snoopy said:

If you think about it, we are a third of the way finish with this generation and Sony hasn't release too many games that appeal to many Americans such as myself. I like bloodborne, but I am not into all those japanese anime games like dragon quest. I was hoping it would be like the ps3 with resistance, killzone, motor storm, ratchet and clank (looking forward to remake), uncharted, warhawk, mgs4, twisted metal. I've rented until dawn it is a good rental but nothing I would pay more than 20 dollars for.

And yet, Sony has 4 exclusives on the U.S. yearly chart and that's before Until Dawn, Tearaway, and the NDC.

Tearaway has bomba written all over it. NDC are old games remastered.

And so what if a remaster hits the charts? Is it not a game anymore? It hit the charts because people bought it and played it, that's the whole point of games, too play them.

This thread is about Sony releasing AAA exclusive games, not remasters. Yes, new games are more important than remasters.

Actually Shu doesn't even mention new games, only AAA titles. I'm pretty sure NDC counts as that. And as I've said, if people are playing these games, it doesn't matter if they're not new or not because the point of games are to play them, and that is exactly what people are doing when they buy NDC. 



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Zoombael said:
Nem said:

You and your irrational jibberjabber. ^^

Its absolutely hilarious how you atempt to drag a different topic into this conversation to hopelessly try and gain an advantage. The debate was had in that thread. If you are unable to understand, then that is your problem.I will not repeat myself because you are unable to grasp a concept where its description was posted multiple times in that same thread.

Oh was your list a "supposed" list? That explains alot. But thats certainly not what you said when you posted it.

Your precise post was "Ok. But so far it looks pretty decent. " followed by the list of games you arent sure will release this year or are officially announced for this year. You gave a 100% certainty that you didnt have.

You are not precise. And its hilarious that you say i'm the irrational one. Because you logic seems very skewed to your convenience.

I am actually quite disturbed to even be engaging with you on this debate as from your posts everyone can see that you are here due to some skewed personal issue. Everyone can see your orientation from your posts, and quite honestly, i really don't feel like talking to you anymore. Its a waste of my time.

 

 

When i write "so far" it is not a 100% certainty, i was not giving any guarantee. It was the doing of your screwy imagination - or your lack of english language skills.

In case of the latter...

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/so+far

 

I'm precise enough. You just don't bring the basic knowledge, and it seems not just in one subjectIf i have to explain to you extensively, that there is the possibilty of postponment in times when 90% (exaggerated) of games are being delayed than you've very much proven that you don't even have the slighest clue and that you cannot be taken seriously.

Or/And - you're on a personal campaign against Sony, trying poorly to talk down any effort, dismissing innovative technology and resulting new experiences although you don't know anything, ignoring any 3rd party contribution and carrying in your preferences as the holy one and only commandment.

Nem said:

"Gravity rush is super niche and i couldnt enjoy the original."

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=208911&page=6

Who the **** cares!? I mentioned Gran Turismo 7 even though i'm not a fan of conventional racing games, in fact i outright dislike them. I couldn't care less if it isn't coming in 2016 or even 2017. Also I'm not a big fan of Uncharted. But guess what, there are enough games i'm interested in, because i'm not bound to a very few genres and one plattform.

You claim Gravity Rush is super niche. Why was that? I'm sure it had nothing to do with the low sales of a plattform called PS Vita. One hundred percent 100% certain, aren't we? 

Another roll eyes inducing part...

"Ratchet and clank (is this still popular?)"

No, it is not, that's why so many are overjoyed and Sony is even producing a movie adaptation of this unpopular franchise.


 

"Because you logic seems very skewed to your convenience."

Well, so far you don't have any valid countermeasures to defy my logic. All you can do is to misstate my words. ^^

A covering proof for my prudent logic and your skill of wild misinterpretation:

Nem said:

"You are not precise. "

If this is the case then why...

"You gave a 100% certainty that you didnt have."

How can you assume 100% certainty if i wasn't precise? Where did i indicate unmistakable 100%? O my, you're so observant (do i have to point out the sarcasm?). Then you tell me where did i mention any year or timespan? Who with a little knowledge and reason would assume The Last of us 2 or a yet to be announced (Bend) game will be released 100% in 2016? I was referring to what Sony has in the works and that it is looking good so far.


Shoving aside this little sideshow creation of yours. The essence of my words was: The PS4 has enough exclusive content incoming. 1st (2nd) and 3rd. There is no denying. If it doesn't fit your personal preferences, well, tough luck buddeh. A few will be delayed -  i count on it - maybe even to 2017, but not necessarily. However, it doesn't negate the fact that 2016 looks much better than 2015, 1st and 3rd party wise.

 

"i really don't feel like talking to you anymore. Its a waste of my time."

No problem, i understand you not being keen on being taken apart. Better luck next time. Bye Bye, and have a nice sunday.


You didnt take anything apart. Your "so far" means all those that you mentioned and possible more top be added. But those that you mentioned are not certainties. As much as you try to spin things, it just wont change that fact. Heck, its right there on your link. Wich definition far down are you looking at to spin this?

"To, from, or at a considerable distance". This means bigger and equal, i'm sure you understand. Then you say i'm illogical. The irony.

GR2 is not a AAA title alright (remember the topic of this thread?)? That is why its a niche title, the budget is far more modest aswell as the sales. I swear your grabbing at straws in your grand spin argument.

You are a Sony fan, i get that. No need to get so defensive when Sony's officials themselves admit that there is a problem, they simply didnt feel hugely pressed to fix it yet.

Yes, yes... everything is alright. Line-up is super strong. Everything they do is super good. Yes, i know that is what you think. That is good for you, but i will not stop voicing my opinion wether you like it or not, because i'm not hamstrung by such things.

And for the record... my opinion and why i quoted you in the first place was because i thought your list was innacurate/wishful. I dont think there really is any refuting that, but to each their own.



Samus Aran said:

This thread is about Sony releasing AAA exclusive games, not remasters. Yes, new games are more important than remasters.

interesting.

How are Remasters not AAA exclusive games.

Are Remasters games?

Are Remasters exclusive?

Are Remasters AAA? 

Are new games more important than remasters? Knack was a new game, TLOU Re was a remaster. Was Knack really that much more "important" then TLOU RE? In what sense was it more important?

TLOU RE (3.27) sold more than Knack (1.39). 

TLOU RE (95)/(8.9) has a higher metacritic than Knack (54)/(6.5).

Based on the above to metrics we can surmize that TLOU RE had a greater influence than Knack, simply being avaliable to more people. Hence it influenced more people as a result. In what other regards was Knack superior to TLOU RE with regard to its "importance"?



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Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
Samus Aran said:

This thread is about Sony releasing AAA exclusive games, not remasters. Yes, new games are more important than remasters.

Intresting.

How are Remasters not AAA exclusive games.

Are Remasters games?

Are Remasters exclusive?

Are Remasters AAA? 

Are new games more important than remasters? Knack was a new game, TLOU Re was a remaster. Was Knack really that much more "important" then TLOU RE? In what sense was it more important?

At least Sony knows that your only big holiday game being a remaster isn't a good thing.

It seems some Sony fans will only find that out by 2016, when Sony will finally release some good stuff on a relatively frequent basis.

How anyone can think that Sony's first party line-up has been good so far is beyond me.



Samus Aran said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
Samus Aran said:

This thread is about Sony releasing AAA exclusive games, not remasters. Yes, new games are more important than remasters.

Intresting.

How are Remasters not AAA exclusive games.

Are Remasters games?

Are Remasters exclusive?

Are Remasters AAA? 

Are new games more important than remasters? Knack was a new game, TLOU Re was a remaster. Was Knack really that much more "important" then TLOU RE? In what sense was it more important?

At least Sony knows that your only big holiday game being a remaster isn't a good thing.

It seems some Sony fans will only find that out by 2016, when Sony will finally release some good stuff on a relatively frequent basis.

How anyone can think that Sony's first party line-up has been good so far is beyond me.

Ummmm. Ok. 

TLOU Re was released July 29, 2014. In the middle of the year. Knack was released in November. But you haven't answered any of my questions.

I don't really know or care about what Sony's holiday games are but I know that the big holiday multiplats are there. So unless those are all remasters as well then the big holiday game is not a remaster.

Furthermore. While "Good Stuff" is debatable, Sony's the only one with stuff releasing on a relatively frequent basis from launch.

If we look at the sales, I don't really think Sony's first party line-up is all that important. There are like 4-5 PS4 1st party games in the top surrounded by a whole bunch of 3rd party games but like, maybe when they get better first party they will finally pass up the Wii U. But I digress.

 

Answer the questions. Are remasters AAA exclusive games? Specifically, is TLOU RE, a remastered game, a AAA exclusive game? Is Knack more "important" than TLOU RE?

What about Infamous: Second Son?

It sold 2.32 million w/ a metacritic of (80)/(7.9). Is that more "important"?



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Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
Samus Aran said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
Samus Aran said:

This thread is about Sony releasing AAA exclusive games, not remasters. Yes, new games are more important than remasters.

Intresting.

How are Remasters not AAA exclusive games.

Are Remasters games?

Are Remasters exclusive?

Are Remasters AAA? 

Are new games more important than remasters? Knack was a new game, TLOU Re was a remaster. Was Knack really that much more "important" then TLOU RE? In what sense was it more important?

At least Sony knows that your only big holiday game being a remaster isn't a good thing.

It seems some Sony fans will only find that out by 2016, when Sony will finally release some good stuff on a relatively frequent basis.

How anyone can think that Sony's first party line-up has been good so far is beyond me.

Ummmm. Ok. 

TLOU Re was released July 29, 2014. In the middle of the year. Knack was released in November. But you haven't answered any of my questions.

I don't really know or care about what Sony's holiday games are but I know that the big holiday multiplats are there. So unless those are all remasters as well then the big holiday game is not a remaster.

Furthermore. While "Good Stuff" is debatable, Sony's the only one with stuff releasing on a relatively frequent basis from launch.

If we look at the sales, I don't really think Sony's first party line-up is all that important. There are like 4-5 PS4 1st party games in the top surrounded by a whole bunch of 3rd party games but like, maybe when they get better first party they will finally pass up the Wii U. But I digress.

 

Answer the questions. Are remasters AAA exclusive games? Specifically, is TLOU RE, a remastered game, a AAA exclusive game? Is Knack more "important" than TLOU RE?

Knack got abysmal reviews and is not an AAA game. TLOU was a remaster of a one year old game, so it was still in demand. Are you saying that TLOU as a PS4 exclusive launch title wouldn't have a bigger impact than TLOU the remaster half a year after launch?

This thread is about AAA exclusive games, i.e. first party games, why are you bringing up third party support? Where did anyone say Sony has bad third party support?

What good stuff has Sony been releasing since launch? We're talking first party games here.



Samus Aran said:

Knack got abysmal reviews and is not an AAA game. TLOU was a remaster of a one year old game, so it was still in demand. Are you saying that TLOU as a PS4 exclusive launch title wouldn't have a bigger impact than TLOU the remaster half a year after launch?

This thread is about AAA exclusive games, i.e. first party games, why are you bringing up third party support? Where did anyone say Sony has bad third party support?

What good stuff has Sony been releasing since launch? We're talking first party games here.

I'm not saying anything. I'm just asking questions, which you still haven't attempted to answer.

Why is Knack not a AAA game, it had a AAA budget and was produced by SCE Japan Studio which is a AAA developer?

TLOU RE is still a remaster, is it a AAA exclusive game or not?

What about Infamous: Second Son, it sold 2.32 million with a metacritic of (80)/7.9? It wasn't a launch game, it released only 4 months before TLOU RE and it has an established fan base of 5.22 million on PS3 with its previous incarnations. TLOU on PS3 sold 5.6 million so they are quite close.

What about Bloodborne, It has a metacritic of (92)/8.6, still lower than TLOU RE's (95)/8.9?

 

Also "Good stuff" is a meaningless distinction, "good" is subjective, that's why I said stuff, and you're talking about first party games here, I just said stuff. But If you want me to answer your questions, it is common courtesy to answer the ones I've already given to you. FYI, the ones above are just restatements of the original question.



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Sprash said:
Nem said:

I do think they need more big studios. Having closed so many recently was definitly the wrong choice.

Sony does need more big franchises. On that front they have always been weak and have dropped established ones way too easily.
They can't depend so much on Naughty Dog and Guerrila alone. Even Santa monica has been slow with their output. Media molecule is basically an indie dev and Sony Japan is all over the place.

If they managed to foster 2 more studios like ND and Guerrila, they would be in a much better place. This also taking into account that Naughty Dog lost its ability to have 2 teams working at the same time so they are not as dependable as before. After Uncharted 4 we wont hear anything from them for another 2 years.

Sony needs studios especially for those off years.

Bolded: What? I mean is that serious?

Sony doesn't need more studios they have enough and if we are looking at 2016 they put one exclusive game out after another. Like most people said it over and over again the first 2 years are always sparse because sony supports the last gen a bit longer than microsoft and nintendo.

Bolded again: Are you serious Media Molecule a Indie dev?

Yeah, I don't want to be too harsh, and jump all over the guy, but I agree with you. Nem"s assessment, not so much. And what does "Sony Japan is all over the place mean?" It surely has negative conotations, but I can't guess what they are. The PS4 and it's software lineup are fine.



Lol in two years time none of this will even matter. Uncharted 4, Horizon, TLG, Gravity Rush as well as some third party exclusives like R&C more then makes up for the "lack" of first party games in the first two years. I treat my PS4 as a cable box with Netflix + NBA Gametime. I sure as hell ain't sulking because the first party pickings have been lackluster so far. I might of bought a PS4 year one but I also invested in it because of future support. Word to the PS3 & its exclusive lineup of 2013! I'm not even interested in buying a WiiU/ XOne atm, I'd rather save up and grab a few ounces of that dank and a couple bottles lmao.



Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

I'm not saying anything. I'm just asking questions, which you still haven't attempted to answer.

Why is Knack not a AAA game, it had a AAA budget and was produced by SCE Japan Studio which is a AAA developer?

It didn't have an AAA budget and SCE Japan Studio is not an AAA developer (there, I said it). Their Western studios get to work with much higher budgets and they're the only AAA studios they have. I even remember an interview where the TLG developers said as much.

TLOU RE is still a remaster, is it a AAA exclusive game or not?

No, the game is also on PS3.

What about Infamous: Second Son, it sold 2.32 million with a metacritic of (80)/7.9? It wasn't a launch game, it released only 4 months before TLOU RE and it has an established fan base of 5.22 million on PS3 with its previous incarnations. TLOU on PS3 sold 5.6 million so they are quite close.

Infamous is AAA yes.

What about Bloodborne, It has a metacritic of (92)/8.6, still lower than TLOU RE's (95)/8.9?

Bloodborne is also AAA, at least I think so, it looks like it has high production values. Not sure what metacritic has to do with this debate? I don't rely on them to tell me how good a game is.

 

Also "Good stuff" is a meaningless distinction, "good" is subjective, that's why I said stuff, and you're talking about first party games here, I just said stuff. But If you want me to answer your questions, it is common courtesy to answer the ones I've already given to you. FYI, the ones above are just restatements of the original question.

This thread is about AAA exclusives, so talking about third party games makes no sense unless it's being published by Sony.