This is unbelievable. You guys are making Amazon pointless. Amazon has now been right every single time, including April, because of 'a', 'b' and 'c'. Why is Amazon known to have been wrong once? You people are overcomplicating what was a very simple concept.

If the PS4 is ahead of the XB1 in the monthlies and the XB1 wins then Amazon will have been wrong for the second time. If the PS4 is ahead of the XB1 in the monthlies and the PS4 wins then Amazon will have been right yet again. This is how it's always been judged and I haven't got a clue why some people now want to complicate this simple fact.

Whichever console leads the Amazon chart is seen as the winner of the month.

Not in April, PS4 was 21, Xb one was 23 and 25. That clearly meant Xb one was winning. Anyway, surprised at the Kinect bundle dropping as quickly as that. It's getting harder to call the month for Xb one. With all the shiufting up and down the charts I still don;t know which way to go.

Man for the people who don't follow Amazon charts if PS4 sneaks a win this month there will be some major meltdowns in the NPD thread. Even if PS4 comes close people are going to be surprised.

Yes, Amazon was wrong in April. We can now argue it wasn't though, right? Now we've changed the simple way we see the winner, we can argue for weeks how even though Amazon was wrong, in actually fact it was right. It's going to get tedius if we don't stick to what it was about from the beginning. Every single time we've seen Amazon as right, it's been because whichever console was at the top of the monthlies won the month and when it was wrong, we see it as wrong because the console at the top doesn't win.

Except at least until now MS has been open about wanting to be the number 1 console in the USA. Not just Xbox fans but MS itself. So yes MS does want to turn things around and become the Toyota of the USA and not Mazda. There is also no certainty that Xbox brand is profitable, because there are a numbe of other revenue streams in that division and MS does not break the financials down any further to say what revenue streams are profiting. MS can afford for Xb one to take modest losses because that company is virtually immune to making over all losses.

But the Xbox Brand is making profits, that department is making profits. Like in any companys its all about the bottom line, and it is still positive. All companys wish to be the largest in the field, but sometimes they have to take a step back and figure out how to make a reliable product that is great for its price. Like what Mazda did after Fold sold their stock back due to issues. Mazda makes some great cars now and no one really thinks of them enough, (sorry a car guy here, lol.) But I dont see anything negitive with how the Xbox One is coming along. Yes, more sales would be nice but saying not selling as much as the PS4 does is not what people should base their opinion on the current state of the Xbox Program as. If that was the case the PSP/PSV would of been gone a LONG time ago. On the side note I still miss my PSP with DJ Max Portable 2.... Was stolen out of my car one night... I had to import that game! :(

You may be seeing it as simply as that, but I've always looked at Amazons predictive value in more depth. So the top selling sku has a high predictive value, but there are circumstances where it falters, and then you have to go into a bit more depth to see what Amazon is really telling you. This month I don;t think we can say what Amazon is telling us at least until we get the final monthly chart. You say Amazon has been wrong once, I say Amazon was right in that month. We're both right it just depends on what you chose to measure.

3 hours since last update:

#11 PS4 Nathan Drake Bundle (same)
#18 PS4 Black Ops Bundle (same)*
#21 PS4 Star Wars Bundle (up 1)*
#22 XB1 Kinect Bundle (down 1)
#26 XB1 Halo Bundle (up 2)
#50 XB1 Gears Bundle (down 12)
#52 PS4 Star Wars Standard Bundle (up 1)*
#70 XB1 Fallout Bundle (up 4)*
#71 XB1 Forza Bundle (down 4)
#81 PS4 Fool's Edition (up 3)
#84 XB1 Madden Bundle (down 15)
#91 PS4 Destiny Bundle (up 6)
#99 N3DS (down 5)

*Does not affect this month

PS4 - 5 bundles, 5 in the top 100 (plus standalone)
XB1 - 10 bundles, 6 in the top 100

There is absolutely nothing wrong with speculation concerning positions, amounts or preorders, but we see Amazon as either wrong or right and that has always been based on who leads in the monthlies and who actually wins that month. We are now waiting to see who won this month and it will be based on what Amazon has at the top of the monthlies. I've even said myself that preorders could effect this month and so make Amazon wrong, but it's still accepting that Amazon could be wrong based on which console leads in the monthlies. It's been this way for 2 years now and I haven't got a clue why people want to change it. Keep it simple as far as Amazon predictions go. It doesn't mean we can't debate why Amazon was wrong, but to be fair to the spirit of Amazon threads, that's the view we'd have to take: that it was wrong. If we start arguing that it wasn't wrong based on 'a', 'b' and 'c' then the Amazon prediction is made redundant.

Actyually the fall is what sells those games and consoles.Those games also have a bigger fanbase like GTA.Consoles never sell much during the summer when Fifa releases so that proves your theory wrong.Halo is an exclusive and iy is obvious that it is not selling the X1 much going by Amazon,other online retailers and in store retalers.Every BB,Walmart,Target and GS has plenty of Halo 4 bundles in stock in my area and I am in a smaller state.I see Halo 5 bundles in store just like I did when Titanfall came out,vut I don't see all of the PS4 bundles.Right now I only see the NDC bundle,but it's less consoles compared to the total number of Xbox consoles.PS4 has taken this month bo doubt.

Sorry Gribble, but you seem to be the one that change the way to interpret amazon's rankings (anyway everyone is free to do so in its own way).

Go to april npd thread, you 'll see people saying that the result was expected thanks to amazon.

Amazon was wrong once or twice if I remember correctly, on november or december.