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Final-Fan on 20 March 2008

On the question of what would get you banned, I think that it depends on where you say it and which mod catches you. I have seen members get short bans for badmouthing Christianity, although "X is a joke" might not be as offensive as what was said -- I don't remember.

Or do you have to badmouth the Christians themselves? That might have been it.



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Final-Fan on 20 March 2008
fkusumot said:
Grey Acumen said:
I hardly see how that misrepresents my view. As other people have been successful, and if someone has been successful that DOES mean that something is possible, but simply not having been successful does not prove something to be or not be possible. I never stated that nothing is impossible, but in this particular case i am pointing out merely that the state of impossibility has not been proven, whereas possibility has been shown already, i simply didn't raise that issue because the only point I was replying to was the point about the impossibility.

So where exactly does the misrepresentation come in?
Where has it been shown that it is possible to "intentionally choose to be delusional"?
Well, you'd agree that there are cases of scam artists and such being eventually taken in by their own lies, correct? If so, it's not such a stretch to think that if some people intentionally tried to duplicate that phenomenon, some of them would be successful. So you could say that they would have chosen to become delusional, even though the choice and the delusion would not be (and, it seems to me, cannot be) simultaneous.

On the other hand, "become" is not the same as "be", and as I said, I don't think that the choice and the delusion can logically be simultaneously ongoing.

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fkusumot on 20 March 2008
Final-Fan said:
fkusumot said:
 
Where has it been shown that it is possible to "intentionally choose to be delusional"?
Well, you'd agree that there are cases of scam artists and such being eventually taken in by their own lies, correct? If so, it's not such a stretch to think that if some people intentionally tried to duplicate that phenomenon, some of them would be successful. So you could say that they would have chosen to become delusional, even though the choice and the delusion would not be (and, it seems to me, cannot be) simultaneous.

On the other hand, "become" is not the same as "be", and as I said, I don't think that the choice and the delusion can logically be simultaneously ongoing.

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That's an interesting thought experiment there Final-Fan. It could be a good plot for a move.

Perhaps we would really have to grind down and define what an "intention" is, and what doing something intentionally entails. It's not something that happens by accident or sloppiness. The intention to do some something almost necessarily requires a plan and hence some forethought.

Of course, we aren't disagreeing here, but I think because of where the discussion is going defining the terms is important.



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The Ghost of RubangB on 20 March 2008

There's a movie called Deceiver, and the whole thing is Tim Roth getting polygraph tested about a murder he might have just committed, and there's a lot of crazy self-deluding going on. It's a pretty good movie.


While it might be possible under certain crazy circumstances, the fact of the matter is you can't change your core beliefs at the drop of a Wii remote, which I think was the original question.



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Valknut on 27 March 2008
chriscox1121 said:
All athiest deep down battle with their soul about the existence of God. They say "soul I don't believe" the soul says "o yes you do". And this is a repeated cycle until the atheist death. They are all doubters and use extreme amount of intensive rhetoric to spread their "truth". blah blah blah...save me the garbage....Atheism is a joke. Bottom line they hate God and Christians...oh and accountability for their evil deeds.

Am sorry but I have to bump this for a lol.

 LOL in fact LOL Rofl and Lmao all in one.

The church you go to, dont drink the punch eh? I dont dislike any religion, I dont hate on anyones god, I prefer my own god and they prefer there own god that others believe in.

Mine was made by me, theres was made by them. Thats what my God tells me anyway ^^  I kid of course. If I started hearing things in my head I would be in a soft coverd room with tax payers payin my livin costs.. In fact >.>