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Luke888 on 27 September 2015
Scisca said:
Luke888 said:

They'd have to skip a generation to have such a lineup saddly :(


If they release a home console in 2016, they will be skipping a generation Let's face it, Zelda is pretty much done for Christmas 2016. All they have to do is change the Star Fox they are developing into a game with good graphics and multiplayer. I think if they properly invest in this franchize, it can become big like Splatoon did. F-Zero isn't the type of game that should take years to develop. Retro should be working on MP4 for some time already. I mean, Nintendo isn't developing anything big since Splatoon. They have a full year now and the next year to get ready for the launch window, that lasts around 6 months. That's a lot of time to make games like F-Zero or turn Star Fox into a great game. Mario Kart can just be un upgrade of MK8. SMG3 - should be in development already. So yeah, I think they have enough time to make these games.

Still, the kicker is the best performance of 3rd party games. I really want that.


Skip=/=Start early another one, saddly I'm not so confident in Retro beeing working on MP4 . I still hope NX has one of the best launch line-up possible so that it can be a D1 purchase for me :v



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Scisca on 27 September 2015
Luke888 said:
Scisca said:


If they release a home console in 2016, they will be skipping a generation Let's face it, Zelda is pretty much done for Christmas 2016. All they have to do is change the Star Fox they are developing into a game with good graphics and multiplayer. I think if they properly invest in this franchize, it can become big like Splatoon did. F-Zero isn't the type of game that should take years to develop. Retro should be working on MP4 for some time already. I mean, Nintendo isn't developing anything big since Splatoon. They have a full year now and the next year to get ready for the launch window, that lasts around 6 months. That's a lot of time to make games like F-Zero or turn Star Fox into a great game. Mario Kart can just be un upgrade of MK8. SMG3 - should be in development already. So yeah, I think they have enough time to make these games.

Still, the kicker is the best performance of 3rd party games. I really want that.


Skip=/=Start early another one, saddly I'm not so confident in Retro beeing working on MP4 . I still hope NX has one of the best launch line-up possible so that it can be a D1 purchase for me :v

Nobody is confident, I said they should be working on MP4. Cause they bloody should. If they released the console as powerful as I say, with Zelda at launch and MP4 coming in the first 6 months and a complete 3rd party support at the same price as PS4 will be next year - I'd buy it day 1 as well. They could cut the cost on the storage somehow, I don't plan to use any laughable 500 GB any way. I just want to put 2 TB in my console and call it a day, so Nintendo can yet again save in this department. Just an idea.



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Miyamotoo on 28 September 2015
Stefan.De.Machtige said:
Soundwave said:

This might be the most expensive game in Nintendo's history. HD, large game scope, 4+ year dev cycle ... they're not going to let it rot on the Wii U where it will sell 2.5-3 million and then fizzle out.

It will easily double those sales if its in the NX launch window. There's not really much to contemplate here. 

It's also likely that Nintendo will recycle other Wii U games to push the NX. The Wii U's userbase is so low that introducing these games as 'new' to the handheld audience could recupe a lot of costs and expand the software for the NX easier.

I am pretty sure if NX will not have classic backward compatibility, Nintendo will post some of Wii U games and release them at least via eShop same like they released Wii games on Wii U.



Miyamotoo on 28 September 2015
bigtakilla said:
Miyamotoo said:
bigtakilla said:
SJReiter said:
So the issue I've always had with this theory is that it would mean either the game releases in 2017, or NX launches in 2016. I always assumed (and still do) that NX would launch in 2017, so if Zelda U launches in 2016 it wouldn't really make much sense to port it. For Twilight Princess, it came out for the GameCube just a couple weeks after releasing for the Wii. If Zelda U comes out for NX a year after launching on the Wii U, I don't really see what the point would be, and hence believe it to be unlikely.

Then from a business stand point, why don't they make a 3D mario game in the vein of Galaxy and and make that multigen? It seems they would make a LOOOOOOOOOT (I mean it is honestly not even remotely close) more money that way. We can pretty much assume one of those is in the works too.

Big difference is that for 3D Mario game they need around 2 years to development but for Zelda they need almost twice of that time, so much more development time and resources than Mario game, so from that standpoint Zelda is good choice for porting, especially if installed base is low like Wii Us.

New 3D Mario is almost certain for NX launch, but next Zelda after Zelda U will probably come around 2019, Nintendo can easily make another 3D Mario game before another Zelda come.

Still, strictly business speaking Mario games net over twice the profit and cost less than half to make. Porting a Mario game would earn you much more profit than porting a Zelda game. 

 

bigtakilla said:
archbrix said:

Zelda U has been rumored to be the biggest, most ambitious title from Nintendo yet regarding budget and manpower; I'd be very surprised if it wasn't an NX launch title.  And I think it's definitely their best move as long as WiiU still gets the game as promised.

Why wouldn't porting New Super Mario Wii U be a better move? It hystorically sells more copies per console than LoZ per same console in every single occassion.

 

bigtakilla said:
Scisca said:


I think there's a difference that some games benefit greatly from the install base without really driving hardware sales (2D Mario games) , while other games benefit less, but are capable of moving a big number of hardware units that games like 2D Mario can't move (Zelda, Metroid).

I honestly doubt there's many people out there that will go like "OMG, a 2D Mario, I have to buy this console". But people will buy a 2D Mario if they already have the console. On the other hand a Zelda or Metroid is a game that many people may consider getting a console for. And then they'll get that 2D Mario

I don't think 2D Mario is capable of driving hardware adoption the way a Mario Kart, Zelda, Metroid or Smash can.

But NSMBU was pretty much the only reason to get a Wii U early on (especially if we are talking about 1st party games) and sold better and moved more hardware than WWHD. I mean a port is a port right? Windwaker was open world, it is one of the only 1080p games on Wii U, It has an AMAZING art style that is new and can only be refered to as "toon link" art style, and so few people had the GC AND bought the game (4.6 mil) that you think it would push some sales.... But it didn't.

 

 

bigtakilla said:
archbrix said:

I'm going with the assumption that NX's launch will coincide with the launch of WiiU's Zelda, very similar to TP.  Under those conditions, the debut of a brand new Zelda on Nintendo's brand new system would be huge, despite the game also being available on WiiU.  

By comparison, a port of NSMBU would do almost nothing to drive the launch of NX, but I'd fully expect it and plenty of other WiiU games to arrive digitally on NX eventually.


But it would be a port, which would obviously not even showcase the NX's power. 

NSMBU helped push Wii U sales the first year of the Wii U's life, and it's first year sales were actually pretty good. Add to it the fact that NSMBU and NSLuigiU combined far outsold any LoZ and port (or remake) with the exception of Ocarina Of Time (best selling of the franchise again since the 3ds entry) it should paint a pretty clear picture. It we are going by financial success, LoZ is not the best route they could take (looking at numbers).

You cant compare launch of NSMBU port game that is basically NSMB HD from Wii that will be old 4 year next year, and launch of completely new game that will be first HD, real open and most ambitious Zelda to date. NSMBU port probably wouldn't move any consoles, but Zelda in this case would move tons a consoles.

Also NSMBU was terrible Wii U launch title, it was basically NSMB HD for Wii, I am pretty sure that only small number of people buy console for that game alone.



Miyamotoo on 28 September 2015
Scisca said:
MrGuybrush295 said:
Very High
What better way to get back a hardcore audience into the Nintendo bandwagon than a New Zelda game as a launch title.


The only better way would be to launch with Zelda and the Star Fox that we all want - not the crappy one they are making for the Wii U, then release an F-Zero game 3 months later and nuke the core audience with a glorious Metroid Prime 4 half a year after the launch. Sprinkle that with some more casual games that are cheaper and easy to develop, give us a Mario Kart for the first Christmas, SMG3 some time after, Smash the next Christmas and you have yourself a console that core audience buys into.

Oh, and get all 3rd party games on board in 1080p/60fps - something nobody else can get. Now you're playing with power - again.

Lets be realistic about NX launch and first year lineup, Zelda U port is almost certain, new Mario 3D like launch title also almost certain, Pikmin 4 cross platform with Wii U possible but I don't see it like only NX game, Metroid 4 possible in first year or more likle game for second holiday season. Star Fox is is very likely Wii U only game, we don't know anything about F-Zero, probably too early for Mario Kart in first Christmas better chances are that we will get Diddy Kong Racing before Mario Kart.



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maxleresistant on 28 September 2015

I'd say right now I'm 90% sure. 

Mainly because the only good reason not to do it is out of respect for the WiiU owners, but let's face it, Nintendo knows that fanboys will eat everything they give them. An frankly, they already did it with TP and got away with it easily.



Proxy-Pie on 28 September 2015

Likely..



Stefan.De.Machtige on 28 September 2015
Miyamotoo said:
Stefan.De.Machtige said:

It's also likely that Nintendo will recycle other Wii U games to push the NX. The Wii U's userbase is so low that introducing these games as 'new' to the handheld audience could recupe a lot of costs and expand the software for the NX easier.

I am pretty sure if NX will not have classic backward compatibility, Nintendo will post some of Wii U games and release them at least via eShop same like they released Wii games on Wii U.

I'm talking about some upscaled / updated versions which could be sold for 20/30 euro. LIke a digital bundle. Pay 60 euro's and select 3 games from 9 or more games. It would be easy money for them.



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Miyamotoo on 28 September 2015
Stefan.De.Machtige said:
Miyamotoo said:
Stefan.De.Machtige said:
 

It's also likely that Nintendo will recycle other Wii U games to push the NX. The Wii U's userbase is so low that introducing these games as 'new' to the handheld audience could recupe a lot of costs and expand the software for the NX easier.

I am pretty sure if NX will not have classic backward compatibility, Nintendo will post some of Wii U games and release them at least via eShop same like they released Wii games on Wii U.

I'm talking about some upscaled / updated versions which could be sold for 20/30 euro. LIke a digital bundle. Pay 60 euro's and select 3 games from 9 or more games. It would be easy money for them.

Again no, they will sell simply ports via eShop for that price, same like they selling Wii games on Wii U shop for 20 euros, also easy money and they didnt invest nothing for upscaling/updating.



bigtakilla on 28 September 2015
Miyamotoo said:
bigtakilla said:


But it would be a port, which would obviously not even showcase the NX's power. 

NSMBU helped push Wii U sales the first year of the Wii U's life, and it's first year sales were actually pretty good. Add to it the fact that NSMBU and NSLuigiU combined far outsold any LoZ and port (or remake) with the exception of Ocarina Of Time (best selling of the franchise again since the 3ds entry) it should paint a pretty clear picture. It we are going by financial success, LoZ is not the best route they could take (looking at numbers).

You cant compare launch of NSMBU port game that is basically NSMB HD from Wii that will be old 4 year next year, and launch of completely new game that will be first HD, real open and most ambitious Zelda to date. NSMBU port probably wouldn't move any consoles, but Zelda in this case would move tons a consoles.

Also NSMBU was terrible Wii U launch title, it was basically NSMB HD for Wii, I am pretty sure that only small number of people buy console for that game alone.

I would hope only a small number of people would buy any console for one game alone.