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Soundwave said:
Ruler said:
Yeah because this is actually real problems facing the Rest of the world. she should stay with her first world problems in the US


You know another "1st world problem?". Video gamers feel they're being persecuted. So lets not complain about anything. 

If it's not a big deal then why get upset at someone who has a different opinion? 


Shes american, shes using google an american company to push their agenda in the UN. Where do i say i am pro gamergate, all what i am saying is she should leave the UN out of this



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Ruler said:
Soundwave said:


You know another "1st world problem?". Video gamers feel they're being persecuted. So lets not complain about anything. 

If it's not a big deal then why get upset at someone who has a different opinion? 


Shes american, shes using google an american company to push their agenda in the UN. Where do i say i am pro gamergate, all what i am saying is she should leave the UN out of this

Is America not part of the UN? If most people were invited to speak at the UN for whatever cause, most people would take it. 



I can't wait until these people disappear and their 15 minutes are over. They're nothing but harassers themselves, and their only goal is to make money on their patreon accounts by pretending that video games hurt their feels.



I can't believe people are giving her a platform.



 

The root of the issue is Japan is a highly patriachrial society, and they still influence the general design space of gaming, and sometimes that can lead to embarrassingly blatant sexualization of female characters. Like the the "tech ops" girl in a game will have tits the size of watermelons, just because why not.

You're talking about a place where this is common place in children's shows:

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Like, lol, I mean I can only look at that and laugh. 



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AZWification said:

When are those cunts going to disappear?

As long as they can continue to sucker thousands out of ignorant people, they'll never go away.



Soundwave said:

Take two minutes and come up with something better than the "Peach has been kidnapped by Koopa! Again!".

It's a tired archetype anyway, like jeezus think of something else please. 

Do guys even like the freaking "rescue the princess" archetype? For me even as a kid it started to get lame even around the time Super Mario World came out, like "she's been kidnapped ... again? What's her fucking problem". 

I agree about the archetype being tired (although i don't really mind them at all in Mario plataform games, I just ignore it), just like i also dislike Samus archetype in that game. But that's not because it is sexist, it's simply because it doesn't appeal to me.

Creators should not be harassed in order to work by someone else agenda, rather they should just create, and we just don't buy/recommend if it is not our thing.

I agree with your other post though, Japan may have a problem.



brendude13 said:
I can't believe people are giving her a platform.

You'd think that her 80% disapproval rating on the Time poll would raise red flags, but I guess not...

I can't wait to hear Sargon of Akkad, TL;DR, Vernaculis, thunderf00t, and Harmful Opinions' takes on this.



vkaraujo said:
Soundwave said:

The portrayal of Samus in the last Metroid WAS embarrassing, as a guy it was laughably lame and yes, sexist. They should have handled that differently. And yes maybe Peach doesn't need to get kidnapped like almost freaking Mario platformer game, that I can agree with too. 

Really? Wtf?

You need something to trigger the adventure, it doesn't need to be peach being kidnnaped (and sometimes it isn't), but that's just as valid. What happens if Luigi is kidnnaped? It that ok? Or is it sexist too? Who can Bowser kidnap? Peach is a central figure in the world, kidnapping her gives you power over a Kingdom, makes sense. What kidnapping Luigi will achieve? Free plumbing? He sucks at that!!!!

Why ignore Goombella
 (a second-year co-ed student studying archaeology at the University of Goom), Lady Bow (leader of the Boos of Boo's Mansion) and Rosalina (protector of the fucking cosmos) and focus on Peach?


Now, i also dislike the last Samus, it was hardly the way western gamers picture her. Still, i think you are wrong. That was not sexist. Quiet is sexist! Walking around half naked for no good reason and showing her boobs to snake all the time. That doesn't mean all women (or characters), protagonist or not, need to be strong, independent and never feel anything about anyone (or not get sad if their felling are not matched).

To be in love and not be corresponded is sad as f***, it is ok (and normal) to be unhappy over that. Some people are shy, some people are cowards. Some feel platonic love.

The industry should not be restricted from any character archetype, from femme fatale to extremely shy in love, as long as it fits the story and world. 

YOU are a sexist if you call Quiet sexist. feminist fought hard so every women can dress like she wants, including next to nothing, if you dont like women chosing their closing, well saudi arabia is sunny this time of year i heared.



vkaraujo said:

Soundwave said:

Take two minutes and come up with something better than the "Peach has been kidnapped by Koopa! Again!".

It's a tired archetype anyway, like jeezus think of something else please. 

Do guys even like the freaking "rescue the princess" archetype? For me even as a kid it started to get lame even around the time Super Mario World came out, like "she's been kidnapped ... again? What's her fucking problem". 

I agree about the archetype being tired (although i don't really mind them at all in Mario plataform games, I just ignore it), just like i also dislike Samus archetype in that game. But that's not because it is sexist, it's simply because it doesn't appeal to me.

Creators should not be harassed in order to work by someone else agenda, rather they should just create, and we just don't buy/recommend if it is not our thing.

I agree with your other post though, Japan may have a problem.

I don't have a problem with it, because I'm a guy. I wouldn't care if Samus was naked. 

However, honestly asking myself to put myself in the POV of a female gamer ... how would I feel if the next Zelda game had Link in a g-string thong with gratutious close up shots of his bouncing nut sack? Would I be cool with that? Nope. In fact I have to say I'd probably stop playing the series. 

Would I be ok with every second male character in a video game being protrayed as brutish dumb ass who needs a woman to come rescue him because he's too stupid to figure it out himself and is better off just watching sports?

I have to say, that would get annoying after about 10 minutes, let alone 20 years of it. 

Yes creators have the right to make what they want. What they DON'T have the right to however is to be exempt from any kind of critical discussion about their work. If you're a musician and making a song called "Bitchez Ain't Shit But Hoes And Tricks" strikes your fancy, sure you have the right to make it. But people have the right to say your work is sexist. You don't have the right to say "well I'm an artist and you can't be critical of my work". 

And Japan definitely has a problem with societal sexism. And that's honestly were most of these video game "tropes" stem from.

Look I don't think we need to suck all the sexy female characters out of games. But I think there can be a reasonable middle ground here between all games being censored versus Solid Snake's female military advisor having watermelon's for tits that are exploding out of her camoflauged tank top and that passing for "serious drama" in a video game.