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DonFerrari on 21 September 2015
tak13 said:
DerNebel said:
tak13 said:
Mr.Playstation said:
As of now the Wii U will be lucky to reach 15 million. No ifs or buts.

It's irksome to say something will be lucky to manage the expected and easy target...And I see it a lot in this thread!15m are locked and maybe it could hit 16m+( without price cuts and if NX won't come in 2016 and one specific trend yells 2016 revelation and  2017 release) depending on how early the successor will cut the legs of wii u,Nintendo predicts that wii u will be at 13m by 31th of March  2016 if you care,it would be lucky for 17-19m(without price cuts or with only one)...Lets's realize when a word fits and when not.

There's a certain irony to the bolded.

As I expected,you quoted me...I had wished that you wouldn't do it,provided that our past here is not rosy...Explain yourself,I based  my comment on a analysis,you can't say that something will hit a low/conservative and reachable aim with luck,it's oxymoron,where do you base your sideswipe?

I friendly suggest you, that you should have rationalized that,otherwise  I may misunderstand you and consider your reply as plain provocation,forgive me in advance If I do an injustice to you,but our history might prejudices me a little bit...

I don't see any reason for juxtaposition here,I'm clear!Aim of Nintendo,is 13m wii u by 31th of March 2016,it's very hard to jump to 15m at the end of it's life,when wii u averages 3.25m shipments per year and shipments are in a stable rate,e.t.c to say that needs luck to manage it?Am I irrational and I'm not justifying my aspect to deserve a vitriolic comment in disguise?And I called it like that for reasons which I aforementioned and because I feel insulted when someone reproves me for the same thing,that I censured another guy previously...

Where's the irony?As I present the things and support my opinion I trow that I 'm allowed to say with ease"the expected and easy target'' The epithets don't fit?And If not?Then,why?

15M isn't locked... It's at 10M with 3years, so considering it basically peaked, 15M would be a possible outcome in something like a frame of 14-16 or 13-17M... I expect 15M but you can't say it's sure outcome.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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fireburn95 on 21 September 2015

Plenty of ridicule already
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=208036



tak13 on 21 September 2015
DonFerrari said:
tak13 said:
DerNebel said:
tak13 said:
Mr.Playstation said:
As of now the Wii U will be lucky to reach 15 million. No ifs or buts.

It's irksome to say something will be lucky to manage the expected and easy target...And I see it a lot in this thread!15m are locked and maybe it could hit 16m+( without price cuts and if NX won't come in 2016 and one specific trend yells 2016 revelation and  2017 release) depending on how early the successor will cut the legs of wii u,Nintendo predicts that wii u will be at 13m by 31th of March  2016 if you care,it would be lucky for 17-19m(without price cuts or with only one)...Lets's realize when a word fits and when not.

There's a certain irony to the bolded.

As I expected,you quoted me...I had wished that you wouldn't do it,provided that our past here is not rosy...Explain yourself,I based  my comment on a analysis,you can't say that something will hit a low/conservative and reachable aim with luck,it's oxymoron,where do you base your sideswipe?

I friendly suggest you, that you should have rationalized that,otherwise  I may misunderstand you and consider your reply as plain provocation,forgive me in advance If I do an injustice to you,but our history might prejudices me a little bit...

I don't see any reason for juxtaposition here,I'm clear!Aim of Nintendo,is 13m wii u by 31th of March 2016,it's very hard to jump to 15m at the end of it's life,when wii u averages 3.25m shipments per year and shipments are in a stable rate,e.t.c to say that needs luck to manage it?Am I irrational and I'm not justifying my aspect to deserve a vitriolic comment in disguise?And I called it like that for reasons which I aforementioned and because I feel insulted when someone reproves me for the same thing,that I censured another guy previously...

Where's the irony?As I present the things and support my opinion I trow that I 'm allowed to say with ease"the expected and easy target'' The epithets don't fit?And If not?Then,why?

15M isn't locked... It's at 10M with 3years, so considering it basically peaked, 15M would be a possible outcome in something like a frame of 14-16 or 13-17M... I expect 15M but you can't say it's sure outcome.


I persist,in the way I put it,I'm not persuading you,regardless on what you believe and your opinion?Am I not making it to seem locked e.t.c,even if you disagree with me?I could give more arguments,such as the current considerable resurgance/momentum in Japan,but Ι don't want to ''split hairss''/expatiate!



DerNebel on 22 September 2015
tak13 said:
DerNebel said:
tak13 said:

It's irksome to say something will be lucky to manage the expected and easy target...And I see it a lot in this thread!15m are locked and maybe it could hit 16m+( without price cuts and if NX won't come in 2016 and one specific trend yells 2016 revelation and  2017 release) depending on how early the successor will cut the legs of wii u,Nintendo predicts that wii u will be at 13m by 31th of March  2016 if you care,it would be lucky for 17-19m(without price cuts or with only one)...Lets's realize when a word fits and when not.

There's a certain irony to the bolded.

As I expected,you quoted me...I had wished that you wouldn't do it,provided that our past here is not rosy...Explain yourself,I based  my comment on a analysis,you can't say that something will hit a low/conservative and reachable aim with luck,it's oxymoron,where do you base your sideswipe?

I friendly suggest you, that you should have rationalized that,otherwise  I may misunderstand you and consider your reply as plain provocation,forgive me in advance If I do an injustice to you,but our history might prejudices me a little bit...

I don't see any reason for juxtaposition here,I'm clear!Aim of Nintendo,is 13m wii u by 31th of March 2016,it's very hard to jump to 15m at the end of it's life,when wii u averages 3.25m shipments per year and shipments are in a stable rate,e.t.c to say that needs luck to manage it?Am I irrational and I'm not justifying my aspect to deserve a vitriolic comment in disguise?And I called it like that for reasons which I aforementioned and because I feel insulted when someone reproves me for the same thing,that I censured another guy previously...

Where's the irony?As I present the things and support my opinion I trow that I 'm allowed to say with ease"the expected and easy target'' The epithets don't fit?And If not?Then,why?

The irony is in the simple fact that you're telling other people to realize when to use the right word when using the terms "easy target" and "locked" for a sales goal still about 5 million units away from where the Wii U currently is yourself. If the Wii U has shown us anything it is that no sales goal for its hardware is an easy target.

Simply take a look at how threads like this shifted their "easy targets" for the Wii U. What was it before launch? 50, 60 million? When it launched and started not doing well? 40 million, because Nintendos big franchises were yet to come? After holiday 2013? 30-35 million? Those numbers are assumptions because I'm not going to look for these threads now, but the simple point is that the Wii U has continued to miss all its "easy goals" up to this point. Last year we had a thread about the Wii U reaching 10 million in 2014 and guess what, that was taken as an easy goal by some people. This year we had a thread about the Wii U reaching 10 million by E3, which was again seen as an easy goal, that the Wii U, once again, missed.

So do I personally think it will hit 15 million? Yeah. Would I call it an easy goal? Hell no.

Also we've only had shipments of 1 quarter up to this point the year and those were down 40k YoY, while that's not a huge amount it is still way to early to say that shipments are stable.



Mummelmann on 22 September 2015
Nintyfan90 said:

Another thread full of Ninty haters shitting on WiiU. You guys are more interested in the WiiUs prediction than XB1s prediction? That is amazing on so many levels. Thanks for the laugh Mummelmann, you couldn't wait to bring that ridiculous thread. I guess I should childishly make a Sonyfan90 account and make a thread about how the PS4 will outsell the entire Iphone line.
OT- Its certainly more realistic than the Xb1 prediction and the PS4 will fall a good 20 million short no doubt. Which means the WiiUs prediction will ironically be closes despite the naysayers. Percentage wise I'm not sure which will be closes between WiiU and PS4.


You're very welcome, whomever's alt you may be. It truly is a ridiculous thread, but it had a lot of fans cheering for the OP, regardless of how ridiculous it was and that shows how unrealistic people's expectations were, while some of us saw where things were headed right away or even before launch.

Yes; the Xbox prediction is laughable as well, I'd even say that the PS4 one is, none of them are getting close to these targest when all is said and done. The Wii U will probably not be closer to the 20 million target than the One and PS4 to theirs though, 10 million sales in almost three years with all major releases besides Zelda and the ether filled to the brim with news and rumors on new hardware, paired with being more or less stationary weekly in the entire West will see to that sure enough. The next three years will not see another 10 million sales, it might struggle to sell more than half that if trends continue.

If it makes you laugh though, I'm glad to provide some light-hearted entertainment in your life. I'm also happy to see that any form of realistic thought on hardware sales is still considered "Ninty haters shitting on Wii U", as it has always been.



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Miyamotoo on 22 September 2015
chidori-chan2 said:

http://gonintendo.com/stories/243150-michael-pachter-says-wii-u-to-sell-20-million-units-worldwide

Lol Patcher. the WiiU will be lucky to reach 14 million

 

Mr.Playstation said:
As of now the Wii U will be lucky to reach 15 million. No ifs or buts.

 

At end of this year Wii U will be around 12m, next year we can expect at least 2m, 2017 and 2018. probably around 1m.

So yes, Wii U will reach 15m, but I think it can't pass 17m.



Kagerow on 22 September 2015

Wii U can easily reach 20m if Nintendo decide to push it to extreme. Like cutting about 100~150$ off the price, for example.



DonFerrari on 22 September 2015
tak13 said:
DonFerrari said:

15M isn't locked... It's at 10M with 3years, so considering it basically peaked, 15M would be a possible outcome in something like a frame of 14-16 or 13-17M... I expect 15M but you can't say it's sure outcome.


I persist,in the way I put it,I'm not persuading you,regardless on what you believe and your opinion?Am I not making it to seem locked e.t.c,even if you disagree with me?I could give more arguments,such as the current considerable resurgance/momentum in Japan,but Ι don't want to ''split hairss''/expatiate!



you said it's locked, it aint, but have a good chance of happening.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Nintyfan90 on 22 September 2015
Mummelmann said:
Nintyfan90 said:

Another thread full of Ninty haters shitting on WiiU. You guys are more interested in the WiiUs prediction than XB1s prediction? That is amazing on so many levels. Thanks for the laugh Mummelmann, you couldn't wait to bring that ridiculous thread. I guess I should childishly make a Sonyfan90 account and make a thread about how the PS4 will outsell the entire Iphone line.
OT- Its certainly more realistic than the Xb1 prediction and the PS4 will fall a good 20 million short no doubt. Which means the WiiUs prediction will ironically be closes despite the naysayers. Percentage wise I'm not sure which will be closes between WiiU and PS4.


You're very welcome, whomever's alt you may be. It truly is a ridiculous thread, but it had a lot of fans cheering for the OP, regardless of how ridiculous it was and that shows how unrealistic people's expectations were, while some of us saw where things were headed right away or even before launch.

Yes; the Xbox prediction is laughable as well, I'd even say that the PS4 one is, none of them are getting close to these targest when all is said and done. The Wii U will probably not be closer to the 20 million target than the One and PS4 to theirs though, 10 million sales in almost three years with all major releases besides Zelda and the ether filled to the brim with news and rumors on new hardware, paired with being more or less stationary weekly in the entire West will see to that sure enough. The next three years will not see another 10 million sales, it might struggle to sell more than half that if trends continue.

If it makes you laugh though, I'm glad to provide some light-hearted entertainment in your life. I'm also happy to see that any form of realistic thought on hardware sales is still considered "Ninty haters shitting on Wii U", as it has always been.

Wow, so you are actually taking that ridiculous thread seriously? Its a sad day for Sony fans when they have to resort to believing any nonsense they see. You realize that prediction was so unrealistic it would take a very retarded person to believe it? Its the internet lol those post in that thread are probably from you. Now that I think about it, that totally makes sense. You are always trying to push that thread as something serious. I wonder why I never see you bring up the old PS3 predictions? A rep from Sony expected PS2 like numbers but ofcourse you could careless. Good job revealing yourself even further, so you tell me which will be closes to its prediction?



Nintyfan90 on 22 September 2015
DonFerrari said:
tak13 said:


I persist,in the way I put it,I'm not persuading you,regardless on what you believe and your opinion?Am I not making it to seem locked e.t.c,even if you disagree with me?I could give more arguments,such as the current considerable resurgance/momentum in Japan,but Ι don't want to ''split hairss''/expatiate!



you said it's locked, it aint, but have a good chance of happening.

Its locked but ofcourse you are just another Ninty hater predicting as low as possible. It should reach 12 million by the end of this year. NX would have to be a home console and would have to launch next year, none of that has any reason to be believed. WiiU is looking to have another normal year in 2016.