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Teeqoz on 16 September 2015
Michelasso said:
Teeqoz said:

Honestly, people pretending like there's no discrimination at all in the west, and that make fun of any attempt to further equality in the west are just as annoying as those that claim there's discrimination everywhere and that make discrimination cases from everything. There's a balance, folks! The world isn't black and white! (This paragraph wasn't really intended at you in particular, just something I notice whenever feminism is discussed on the forum).


Sure. Like in the video game industry that has been accused to be sexist. So, why when we take a look at the indie developers there are not many women either? The SDK are too manly for their sentitivity? The truth is that technical IT is a field chosen mostly by men. What is the sex distribution in the IT and engineering fields in the Universities?


I'm sorry, but I don't really understand what you mean nor what it has to do with the paragraph I wrote.



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ReimTime on 16 September 2015

You can bet all of your Digimon cards that if I worked at MS I would be the utmost gentlesir to all m'ladies. I would give away the cheeto dust off my fingers if it meant that they could have a better experience playing Magic the Gathering with my brethren. I would hold open every door and tip my fedora as a gentlesir does.

ReimTime, Veteran Brony, moderator of r/Katanas, Jarl of Skyrim and leader of Le VGC Army is here to proclaim that no gentlesir will ever be stuck in the friendzone again! Every sexist misogynistic shitlord at MS shall feel the wrath of my sword-cane!



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Teeqoz on 16 September 2015
Ka-pi96 said:
Teeqoz said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Well there's the whole innocent until proven guilty thing and so far I haven't seen a single shred of evidence that Microsoft base their promotions or pay structures on gender. So until that changes I'll just assume this is one of those cases where someone is just trying to make easy cash from some frivolous lawsuit which happens far too often these days.


Actually it's "Innocent til proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt". Big difference. BTW if you want a illustration of my second paragraph, just take a look at this thread, it's like you people don't even acknowledge that there's even the slightest possibilty of this lawsuit actually being based on reality.

BTW Kapi, I could make a company where I only ever hired men, regardless of how good the women applicants to the job was, and using your logic, that would be completely okay, because after all, how would you prove that it was the gender that made me hire the men instead of the women? It's like you think discrimination in the western world doesn't exist at all just because the situation is vastly better than before.

That doesn't change the fact that as of yet no evidence has actually been shown...

And no, by my logic that wouldn't be ok. It would of course be wrong to discriminate like that, but it would also be wrong for someone to sue you for it without proof that you are actually discriminating.

Maybe she does have some good evidence to actually back up her claims but until that evidence is made public the safest assumption is that this is just another pathetic cash grab law suit.


Please explain to me how you would prove that I was discriminating in said hypothetical "male-only" company? Of course, it's pretty clear that that would be discriminiating, but how would you prove it? I could just say that from the job interviews they seemed like nicer or better candidates than their female competitors, regardless of their previous qualifications and education. You could never prove a damn thing, regardless of how obvious it would be.



Paatar on 16 September 2015

" female technical employees receive less compensation and are promoted less frequently than their male counterparts. "

Uhm, like it or not, there are more males in the gaming world. Of course women will be promoted less frequently and etc, because there aren't as many of them. And just because there are less of them, doesn't mean you will get special treatment because 5 men already got promotions.

If you do your job, and do it well, you will get what you deserve.



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Teeqoz on 16 September 2015
Ka-pi96 said:
Teeqoz said:
Ka-pi96 said:

That doesn't change the fact that as of yet no evidence has actually been shown...

And no, by my logic that wouldn't be ok. It would of course be wrong to discriminate like that, but it would also be wrong for someone to sue you for it without proof that you are actually discriminating.

Maybe she does have some good evidence to actually back up her claims but until that evidence is made public the safest assumption is that this is just another pathetic cash grab law suit.

Please explain to me how you would prove that I was discriminating in said hypothetical "male-only" company? Of course, it's pretty clear that that would be discriminiating, but how would you prove it? I could just say that from the job interviews they seemed like nicer or better candidates than their female competitors, regardless of their previous qualifications and education. You could never prove a damn thing, regardless of how obvious it would be.

You couldn't, that's the point. It's entirely possible that someone does form a male only company in a similar way to that, just choosing the people they feel would be the best candidates for the job while genuinely not discriminating against gender at all. So to try and sue someone based just on an assumption when they genuinely may be do nothing wrong? Yeah, that's not right. Oh and of course qualifications aren't the be all end all, as you mention the interviews matter as well, but if someone were to go that route you kind of have to wonder how they got the information about all of the other candidates qualifications don't you?


So basically discrimination on the workplace can never be 100% proven therefore we should assume it doesn't exist. Okay, got it!



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Lawlight on 16 September 2015

Sounds like a bunch of BS to me. Good luck proving that you were good at your job.



Frogger on 16 September 2015

I don't know enough about this case to form an opinion.

Neither to most of you.



Hynad on 16 September 2015
Ka-pi96 said:
Teeqoz said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Well there's the whole innocent until proven guilty thing and so far I haven't seen a single shred of evidence that Microsoft base their promotions or pay structures on gender. So until that changes I'll just assume this is one of those cases where someone is just trying to make easy cash from some frivolous lawsuit which happens far too often these days.


Actually it's "Innocent til proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt". Big difference. BTW if you want a illustration of my second paragraph, just take a look at this thread, it's like you people don't even acknowledge that there's even the slightest possibilty of this lawsuit actually being based on reality.

BTW Kapi, I could make a company where I only ever hired men, regardless of how good the women applicants to the job was, and using your logic, that would be completely okay, because after all, how would you prove that it was the gender that made me hire the men instead of the women? It's like you think discrimination in the western world doesn't exist at all just because the situation is vastly better than before.

That doesn't change the fact that as of yet no evidence has actually been shown...

And no, by my logic that wouldn't be ok. It would of course be wrong to discriminate like that, but it would also be wrong for someone to sue you for it without proof that you are actually discriminating.

Maybe she does have some good evidence to actually back up her claims but until that evidence is made public the safest assumption is that this is just another pathetic cash grab law suit.


The "safest assumption" when you have no proof or evidence from either sides is to not make any assumption at all.



kurasakiichimaru on 16 September 2015

Ehhh no wonder I don't read a lot of females and LGBTs posting here in vgchartz cause the sexisn and homophobia/transphobia is real here. Gamergater teas tbh. No wonder vgchartz has been losing views/users because a lot of people here aren't feel welcome anymore.

How can someone form a strong opinion of someone based on her sex/gender in here without even knowing her or those around her? I mean I can't say if this is real so why should you?



generic-user-1 on 16 September 2015

is that even against the law? M$ could argue they are a catholic corporation and value women less.
its part of m$ believes.

i mean, sure, could be, but i dont think there will be a big check to get from m$, they know whats allowed and what not