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What would you do if The Force Awakens is worse than the prequels?

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Veknoid_Outcast on 07 September 2015

Honestly, I think that's likely. I trust neither Abrams nor Disney to turn out a great Star Wars movie. I sincerely hope I'm wrong, as I've loved Star Wars since I was a kid.



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SuaveSocialist on 07 September 2015
generic-user-1 said:
SuaveSocialist said:
I'd be pretty disappointed, but I have confidence that it will be a blast. Abrams made Star Trek more exciting than Star Wars, so I think he'll make Star Wars absolutely glorious. Retconning the EU was a good decision; the canon was a mess before and the narrative was too restrictive. Now we get to wonder what happens next rather than whinge about them getting things wrong from the books.

he made the WORST star trek movies ever, and thats realy hard to do. so yeah, maybe he has better luck this time.

Not according to Rotten Tomatoes---based on critics and audience review, he made two of the best of ones.

Critical Review/Audience Appreciation


Motion Picture -- 45/42
Wrath of Khan -- 88/90
Search for Spock --78/61
Voyage Home--85/80
Final Frontier -- 21/24
Undiscovered Country --83/83
Generations -- 48/58
First Contact -- 92/89
Insurrection -- 55/45
Nemesis -- 37/50
Star Trek 2009 -- 95/91 (highest rated in the series)
Into Darkness -- 87/90 (Second place to fourth overall, depending on how you want to view the data)

Abrams is going to rock the Star Wars universe.



archer9234 on 07 September 2015
S.Peelman said:

I think Episode III is great. I watched it again last friday.

It does still contain a few corny dialogues like the other prequels, but way less. The action sequences are all quite exciting. Ewan McGregor does a good job at Obi-Wan who sees his friend fall to the Dark Side while Hayden Christensen in turn is way more into the role than he is in Episode II. He does the angry emotions pretty well. Ian McDiarmid is and always was great being the Emperor and the film gives him lots of great screentime wrapping up the plotlines of his clever plan to take over the galaxy and I think his use of politics and the way the prequels increasingly focussed on that and the manipulation of the Jedi was a cool plotline.

Overall, the third prequel is just much more mature than the first two and if all three were of it's quality nobody would complain much about the prequels. I agree The Phantom Menace is quite mediocre and only the final fight with Darth Maul is by far the best thing about it. Attack of the Clones is okay enough, if maybe a little slowish. Count Dooku I feel was underused, especially given they had such a legend as Christopher Lee to play him.

Sure, even Episode III isn't an Episode IV, V or VI. Those are classic in every aspect. And that's why I'm so excited for Episode VII. It seems to have the real Star Wars feeling, it looks like the originals, and of course having some of the old characters in them helped a lot. I knew they would be in the new movie, but I lost my shit seeing Harrisson Ford and Chewbacca in the trailer.

The new trilogy isn't going to be worse than the prequels, if they are, I'd probably ignore them for the rest of eternity... Or something, I don't really know what I'd do, but I think I would be pretty depressed in any case.

On a different note; How is everybody so certain the EU is no longer canon in any way? I'm no longer that much into the Star Wars lore and current affairs as much as I once was so maybe I missed something, but as far as I know all that was really stated is that they aren't going to hold back or purposely write around something if new material under made under Disney conflicts with earlier EU material. In other words, everything still happened, until Disney writers say otherwise, not that the EU outright doesn't exist off the bat.

This would create conflicts in itself anyway. For example; The Battle of Ruusan, where the Jedi destroyed the Sith and after which the Republic as we know it in the prequels was formed was written about in the EU, but in Episode III, a mural depicting this battle exists in the chancellor's chamber. Moreover, Ki-Adi Mundi on the Jedi Counsil refers to it in Episode I when he says that "the Sith have been extinct for a millenia". So, written in the EU, but implied in the movies, canon or not? Who would decide what counts and what not? So as far as I'm aware, KotOR that and whatever else happens before the movies is still canon and will likely stay that way until Disney decides to make new content takes place in a certain time-period. Even the Jedi Knight series and the New Empire are still as well, though that last one will now highly likely be overwritten making it non-canon. If anyone has a clear quote coming from someone that's in charge of Star Wars nowadays, then please, enlighten me.

Lastly; about memorable quotes from the prequels, surely this is one: "No money, no parts, no deal!"
Or of course, "NOOOOOOOOOOO!!" XD

Disney put out a list in May. It basically said this is canon. Everything else is junk. http://io9.com/this-is-your-new-star-wars-canon-so-far-1694117482



Zoombael on 07 September 2015
Cobretti2 said:
what was so bad about the prequels? i hear lots of people say it but never justify it lol.


JarJar Bings. Nuff said.

But seriously. The overall low quality of acting (not just kid anakin) and bad in your face CGI. The pale, nonverbal antagonist (even the episode 7 trailers and first facts do better in this department), a main role played by a third class actor. Can we expect more of Adam Driver as Kylo Ren? For sure. Anyone who has a glimps of his acting and career can be sure of that. Of course the presence of the main villain is just a small part, but a very important one.

And that badass looking storm trooper armor. Cpt. Phasma looks gorgeous. However, i hope they don't make the storm troopers look as incompetent as in the original trilogy.

 

What i'd do? What am suppose to do? I sit back and relax.

 

(man do i hate this forums inconclusive complicated format)



Hunting Season is done...

Volterra_90 on 07 September 2015
Soundwave said:
Volterra_90 said:
It can't be worse than the prequels except Episode III, I think that was a good movie. I'm very excited about this, because I enjoyed massively the Star Trek films by Abrams and I have confidence in him doing a decent film.


Could be I guess. 

Finn: My name's Finn. But people call me Finny! Yippie!

Rey: This tax federation of the outlying systems is truly vexing. I must concetrate the power of midi-chlordians and contemplate this phantom mystery. 

BB-8: Mooey, mooey, meesa, weesa rolled into doogy poop. Ew, icky, icky, goo, goo. 

Holy fuck, that would be awful XDDD. Yeah, it could be worse, it might be Jar Jar Binks son starring in the film. Or another Jar Jar stupid replacement. But I think they acknowledge the reception some characters/dialogues/side stories had and they will work hard in not making the same mistakes again. 



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S.Peelman on 07 September 2015

archer9234 said:

 Disney put out a list in May. It basically said this is canon. Everything else is junk. http://io9.com/this-is-your-new-star-wars-canon-so-far-1694117482

Thanks. Apparently I missed a bunch of articles about this over the last year and a half.

Anyway they're keeping things as vague as possible, especially concerning EU stuff that's either referenced at in things mentioned in the 'new-canon' or EU stuff that's still ongoing like The Old Republic MMO. On one hand they say only the things in that list are absolute canon, on the other they say everything being made from the Disney acquisition onwards is canon. Reading on, apparently the developers of TOR themselves don't even know if what they're doing is canon or not. There's plenty of grey area.

Reading further, I came across the original press release about the canonicity of the EU, on, I could have guessed it myself, starwars.com. It's more in line with what I had in my head so this is probably what I was remembering:

In order to give maximum creative freedom to the filmmakers and also preserve an element of surprise and discovery for the audience, Star Wars Episodes VII-IX will not tell the same story told in the post-Return of the Jedi Expanded Universe. While the universe that readers knew is changing, it is not being discarded. Creators of new Star Wars entertainment have full access to the rich content of the Expanded Universe. For example, elements of the EU are included in Star Wars Rebels. The Inquisitor, the Imperial Security Bureau, and Sienar Fleet Systems are story elements in the new animated series, and all these ideas find their origins in roleplaying game material published in the 1980s.

It says they're basically setting all EU stories aside in a sort of TBD status, because it's "not being discarded". We can say however that the new movies do make the Thrawn trilogy indeed 'junk' though, because they'll rewrite those years, but for the rest I'd say we should just wait a moment until we know what stories conflict and what gets reused or gets referenced in anything new before we ready the trash-can.

It's a mess now, that's for sure.



XanderXT on 07 September 2015
Zappykins said:
It's kind of what I am expecting. After seeing JJ Abrams 'Star Treks' It made me really sad to find out he was directing the new Star Wars films. I thought his Star Trek missed what made the originals great - and focused to the cheesy bad parts and made them bigger and the focus.

I've tried to watch 'Lost' but found it really dull. Super 8, is in my opinion nearly unwatchable.

He kind of makes 'walmart movies' they are popular with the masses, but like junk food with little substance. He throws in enough fan references than it works for some.

I figure the new one will probably be popular, somewhere between the 1st prequel and the other two, but most likely void of the experience the original movie was, what made it special, a challenge against the status quo and exciting.

I hope I am wrong.

In my opinion:

Star Wars >>> Empire Strikes Back - Return of the Jedi - Revenge of the Sith >>>> The Clone Wars >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Phantom Menace > Star Wars Holiday Special

What about Attack of the Clones?



XanderXT on 07 September 2015
archer9234 said:
XanderXT said:
archer9234 said:

I'd think Disney was a POS. You can't make anything worse than episode 2.

POS? Also, Star Wars: Clone Wars? Upcoming Battlefront?

I should of said "I'd think Disney would than be a POS." The Clone Wars movie was made my WB. If you mean the series. Still not Disney. Disney starts From Rebels, and Episode VII. They count from there on. Battlefront isn't even out. I'm not gonna form an opinion on it now.

Rebels is really bad in my opinion. They made the Empire look very incompetent.



XanderXT on 07 September 2015
Soundwave said:
mornelithe said:

There is literally only one quote, from the first three movies.  One.  And it's actually a very, very good one.  I use it in debates often, actually:

"Only a Sith deals in absolutes"

The rest is completely forgetable.

Well I read that there was a line altered for Attack of the Clones that was pretty memorable:

ANAKIN: Sand is coarse and it gets everywhere. I don't like sand. I like hard things ... my Little Ani is so hard right now Padme.

And this exchange from Revenge of the Sith was pretty good but also altered 

PADME: Oh, Anakin, I love you more.  

ANAKIN: No I love you more. 

PADME: (giggles) No, I love you more.

ANAKIN (faster more intense) NO! I LOVE YOU MORE!

*proceeds to Force choke Padme*

Is that real?



XanderXT on 07 September 2015
SuaveSocialist said:
I'd be pretty disappointed, but I have confidence that it will be a blast. Abrams made Star Trek more exciting than Star Wars, so I think he'll make Star Wars absolutely glorious. Retconning the EU was a good decision; the canon was a mess before and the narrative was too restrictive. Now we get to wonder what happens next rather than whinge about them getting things wrong from the books.

Star Trek 2009 may have been good for none Star Trek fans, but the ones I know didn't like it because it felt it was a different movie forced into the Star Trek universe.