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binary solo said:

You don't understand my point. My point is, if the USA was as soccer mad as, say, Brazil, it means it would have been the #1 sport in the USA for several decades already. It would have the sort of machinery around it that American Football does and it would be the completely dominant domestic professional competition. The USA is dominant at the Olympics too, so it's not just its big 3 sports in which is leads the world. The only country that out did the USA at the olympics was the USSR, and that doesn't exist any more. When it comes to sport, when the USA and its people get crazy about that sport it has both the population base and the financial base to kick everyone's arse most of the time. All other countries either lack the financial base or the population base to compete. It's just the way it is. If Soccer had developed in the USA along the same path and the same timeline as it developed in South America, the USA would totally dominate global soccer.

Even now, being so late to the soccer party, and still being a minor pro-sport there, they are likely to be almost permanent fixtures in the knockout stages of the FWC  from now on, which makes the in the top 16 countries in the world, and they will get into the quarter finals regularly. That's pretty much top tier already.


You are obviously wrong. Football is way too competitive worldwide to let any one single country dominate and the financial advantage and big population don't mean a thing. Just take a look at Uruguay, a rather poor country with only 3.4 mil people and it is one of the most successful teams in the history of the sport - only Brasil has more championship stars, Germany and Italy are on par with them.

Out of all major teamsports in the world football is the most competitive one, gives most chances for an upset and gives the weaker team best chances to win despite being worse (even being worse in the very game!), making it harder to dominate long term. And that's why people love it - even when you know you are worse, you can win if you play your heart out. Moreover, it's a sport that allows for the largest diversity of players, as things like race, size, height, strenght, etc. of all types are equally valuable and nobody is excluded because he is too short, slow, weak, etc. When I look at basketball and american football, it's almost exclusively for huge (HUGE!!) and freakishly athletic white and black dudes. Not the case for football.

 

I think the reason why it's not popular is a combination of sponsors not being able to turn it into an adfest the way they do it with american football and basketball (baseball as well, I guess?) and the fact that Americans are used to less demanding type of entertainment. The media feeds them with constant action, explosions and lasers, everything is easy to pick up, their sports are constant action (ad) action (ad) action (ad) and they aren't used to appreciating this type of entertainment. They expect something flashy to be happening the whole time and have a shorter attention span when it comes to sports.
And football isn't about that. I often watch mindblowing games that end with a 0:0 draw and am truely amazed by them, can talk about them for hours. Goals make the hilight reel, but that's not where the beauty of the sport is. They are the cherries, but even without them you can have an incredible cake! I very often focus on the excellence of the defence and value it much higher than the quality of the offence. Football is much like Spurs basketball - the one that Americans universally hated. The difference between their game and the rest of NBA shows well the difference between the game of football and what Americans like and are used to ;)

 

Football is more of a strategy game than an action game and that is probably the main reason. Americans just love them some flashy shooters ;)



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binary solo said:
invetedlotus123 said:

The biggest sports there are basketball, American football and baseball. None of them are exceptionally big anywhere with some few exceptions, like baseball in Japan. Why USA never jumped the soccer bandwagon? They're like and island, I never heard of a worldwide competition of any of those sports.

Late to the show, but Basketball was an olympic sport waaaaaayyy before soccer. And there has been a basketball world cup for a few decades now. So basketball is a global sport. 

What I don't understand is why the USA isn't more into Rugby, a superior sport to American Football in all respects. Though I am also glad they're not more into Rugby because they would totally dominate. People should actually be glad the USA isn't as soccer mad as South America and Europe, because the USA would win almost every world cup. Just look at how well they do in the World Cup with its status as a B-list pro-sport there.

Yeah I don't see the U.S winning almost every cup. Soccer is way more competitive and random, there are no favorites, this is why you don't see teams winning several cups in a row



Ka-pi96 said:

England are one of the most football mad countries in the world and have arguably the best league too yet always underperform when it comes to international football.


Oh come on :P There is no argument here, Premiership is nowhere near to the level of Primera Division and hasn't been there for years, way over a decade now. There is no argument whatsoever, the rank is clear if you control your bias. It's Primera Division - a massive gap - Premiership - an even greater gap - Serie A - massive gap - leagues from Germany, France, Portugal - gap - Turkey, Netherlands, Russia, Ukraine - gap - the rest in a totally random order (who cares anyway). I think I haven't forgotten about any decent league.



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Johnw1104 said:

I think, then, that this is a misappropriation of the term "nationalist". We've not had nationalistic tendencies since we were fighting for our independence, and even then it was in pursuit of political rights that had been denied. The USA has long been a messy country that is, essentially, inventing itself on the fly. Our politics, demographics, and economy is in a constant state of flux, though politically we've largely seen more stability than most nations since the end of the Civil War. There is no real unified and readily accepted concept of what "America" is here quite like there often is for older nations whose population has hardly changed over the centuries.

 



Hahahaha! Oh wait, you're serious? Let me laugh even more! You must've skipped this little thing called "The 20th Century". You might wanna look it up in a history book.

Seriously now, do you not know what America acted during the Cold War? Are you not aware that you make children so small they can barely even speak recite words they can't understand yet about how great America is every day? Your "nationalist" reputation seems pretty deserved from where I'm standing

Johnw1104 said:

Consider, for instance, how costly and time consuming it would be to replace all the signs of the world's longest (by far) network of roads with metric measurements, and then retrofit all the dashboards with km/hr to avoid confusion in a nation with more cars per person than any other spare the micro states of Monaco, San Marino, and Lichtenstein.

Slightly less that it will cost tomorrow. You are aware it is going to happen eventually anyway, right?

Also... would it be less than the Mars Climate Orbiter?

Johnw1104 said:

...that we often place greater significance in what the constitution says than an international body...

I can't laugh anymore, please stop Significance of what the constitution says... ROFL



Anfebious said:
Because who cares? USA is there to fill some space in the World cup and give some points to the big teams.

And Argentina is there to provide stars whose only headline is them falling short of their goal. The South American version of England if you will.



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It is popular.

We get this question every couple months. I explain how in the past twenty years we went from no national league to 20 teams with a dozen stadiums for the sport and twenty thousand people average attendance. How the World Cup went from struggling to be televised to being among most watched event in the country with massive watch parties.

See you in November to answer this again.



Because Soccer sucks.  It is boring to play and more boring to watch.  This is my opinion from experience in both.

 

For the record I was MVP Football and wrestling at my school as well as all stars in baseball.  Not bragging just making it clear that I have been in many sports so I do have comparisons for my personal views.



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There's someone that said that USA never was being any country in Olympics medal score with exception is urss, well , china was in 2008, but USA media tricked by instead of using the number of gold medals and silver and plate as 2nd and 3rd criteria , they used just the general numbers of medals so they could stay ahead, while the rest of the world counts gold medals first.



Shiken said:

Because Soccer sucks.  It is boring to play and more boring to watch.  This is my opinion from experience in both.

 

For the record I was MVP Football and wrestling at my school as well as all stars in baseball.  Not bragging just making it clear that I have been in many sports so I do have comparisons for my personal views.

I'm not sure how exactly is your personal opinion of the game relevant to the larger issue of why isn't it (as) popular (as elsewhere) in the US.



outlawauron said:
Anfebious said:
Because who cares? USA is there to fill some space in the World cup and give some points to the big teams.

And Argentina is there to provide stars whose only headline is them falling short of their goal. The South American version of England if you will.

With all the sub championships we have we are slowly becoming the new Netherlands. The real Englad of South America is Uruguay, the only difference is that Uruguay still gets titles!



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