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eva01beserk said:
X1Gates said:


Forza

Not that its burned out, its just that sim games like this and sports games  and anything of the like, dont change at all with each installment, or the diference is very minimal. If people where going to jump to a new console because of one of these games, they would have done it with the first. The game now will sell mostly to thouse who already have and like forza 5. The bundle, wont do much.

That's what I mean. People act like Forza is some system seller when it isn't and already peaked after Forza 3.PS4 will win this month as well with the release of Forza and the gap will be big.



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Destiny bundle is still hot the day of release, so even with being really high on the chart during pre-orders there are still plenty of people picking it up.



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Don't think sim racers will be system sellers in NA at any point in the foreseeable future.



sabvre42 said:
eva01beserk said:


It will most likely be $50 only. But you think the x1 will follow suit to maintain that $50 advantage?

Probably. XB1 stands zero chance toe to toe with the ps4,  and the holidays are all that matter obviously!


Thats another thing. Where they to do that this year, after doing the same  this year, they will be publicly admiting they dont stand a chance and that the x1 is inferior too ps4 and needs to cost less. The xbox division prbably ate a bunch of losses last year, this year, they might have to eat even more.



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eva01beserk said:
sabvre42 said:

Probably. XB1 stands zero chance toe to toe with the ps4,  and the holidays are all that matter obviously!


Thats another thing. Where they to do that this year, after doing the same  this year, they will be publicly admiting they dont stand a chance and that the x1 is inferior too ps4 and needs to cost less. The xbox division prbably ate a bunch of losses last year, this year, they might have to eat even more.

It's not an admission of inferiority of the product, just inferiority of the brand. When a brand has less consumer appeal than a competitor it needs to try to attract sales by being appealing in different ways. One of the most important ways to appeal to the consumer when you are the less popular brand is to sell at a lower price. That is quite sustainable if you can sell at a profit at the lower price. The big question is whether Xb one can be profitable at $300 without there being another cycle of production cost reduction (Xb one slim). If a $50 price drop is a flat $50 loss (i.e. $350 is exactly break even, or a slight loss right now), then it's going to be difficult to be able to push that price cut button. However, I don't see any way around it for MS. If PS4 dops $50 in the USA (and a comparable amount elswhere in the west), then MS will have to respond with a $50 drop. If they don't maintain a price advantage throughout the main selling years of the generation Xb one's LTD potential will fall well short of 50 million IMO. It's far from certain that it will even make 50 million at this point.



“The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell

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50mil for X1 is out of the question with the way it is selling globally.The 360 had bigger support throughout Europe,which helped it sell that well.They certainly can not reach that number even if they were leading in the U.S.The problem with the brand recognition is that it was built around Live instead of games or the name itself.Now that PSN is just as good or better,online gamers don't see Live as something valuable anymore.



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Wonder if the Destiny or Star Wars bundles will get into the yearly chart soon.



I'm not sure how reliable Amazon is for software, but it's looking like Forza 6 might have lower sales than Forza 5.



FIT_Gamer said:
I'm not sure how reliable Amazon is for software, but it's looking like Forza 6 might have lower sales than Forza 5.


yeah it is doing bad