Please tell me how any of the things the Wii U innovated are pushing the industry forward when I guarantee you none of them will be used by the next generation of consoles. 

I agree, Nintendo is dumb!

They had 7th gen locked down but still had many complaints about the system, so that when 8th gen rolls around all they had to do was to just cater to those issues. Simple. But instead they disregarded fans complaints and just built whatever the fck they felt like and expect it to be as big as the Wii.

I find it funny that when MS/Sony tries to do/add something new you'll hear stuff like 'they're forcing it down our throats!', but when Nintendo does something 'It's innovative!'....Sheeps i tell ya.

Nintendo's innovations are so good that the competitions doesn't care to bring it over next gen, while Nintendo tries to continue it. That's how innovative Nintendo was/is.

No. It can be a good example. Anything can be screwed up by trying to change it. Say a spoon has a added suction motor to it. To prevent the liquid from falling out. This adds weight, batteries, and noise. Than has to be cleaned a certain way. Is it worth it for no spills? That's where gimmick and inovation meet. Does it compromise the use/enjoyment from the user. While it changes something. That's why infomerical products are usually hated.

Nintendo's TVii app could of been inovative. Except it was slow. Poorly designed. And we already have other options avaible that are better. So it became a gimmick and eventually removed. if I can turn on my cable box in the same time. or faster than the app can load the info. It's not good.

They are dumb, they will never be as smart as us. If they followed our advices then they wouldn't be in such a mess.
We always tell them what to do but they don't listen. Bunch of stupid corporate dogs.

The Wii U didn't fail because it tried to innovate. It failed because it was poorly executed.

I agree with the basic premise of the thread, but we have to differentiate between "innovation" and being "unique" or "different". Nintendo has always been innovative - and that is good - but recently they have tried too hard to be different as well, and that isn't always good.

SNES was innovative. Dramatically more colors on screen. A controller that was more ergonomic, had more buttons and introduced triggers. Mode-7 3D. Dramatically improved sound. All fantastic innovations that improved gameplay without hurting it in any way or making third party support more difficult. But since that system, every single Nintendo Console has done something to hinder either core gamers interest or 3rd party support. They need to stop this.

Except for the NX, where most of those innovations will still be used, just executed better.

Nintendo needs to keep innovating. Otherwise, Sony will run out of new ideas.

I like innovation, just not too much. If you don't innovate then things become stagnant and the industry won't really go anywhere.

You better hope so, more importantly Nintendo better hope so.