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If this is NX would you buy?

Yes 142 44.65%
 
No 95 29.87%
 
Maybe 53 16.67%
 
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thatguymarco on 22 August 2015

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FunFan on 22 August 2015
spemanig said:

It's not remotely cheap enough to make a third party company say "we'll spend like $10+ on a cart for the NX version of a game that costed $0.10 for a CD on the PS4/XBO." The average next gen game is like 45GB. Those are the sizes you're looking at for something like this. There is no way Nintendo is convincing 3rd parties to pay that kind of money per game just to port their 8th gen games to the NX.

It sounds like it's just describing the standard functions of a memory card. You know, downloading something from the SD card to the system itself. If it was meant to read game data like a cartridge, the patent would have been far more explicite than that.

Plenty of third parties seemed willing to spend money on DS, 3DS and Vita carts...



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fatslob-:O on 22 August 2015
FunFan said:

Plenty of third parties seemed willing to spend money on DS, 3DS and Vita carts...

Too bad the game sizes are small so you can't really make that comparison with a full blown home console ...



Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 22 August 2015
spemanig said:
Captain_Yuri said:

Yea but technology has progressed a lot since then... Flash memory has become heck of a lot cheaper and its faster than optical media... The 3ds cartridges can hold up to 8gb and the got released back in 2011 so now, they should be able to increase the space but a lot while keeping the costs down. And while 64gb microsd cards do still cost a bit to buy, they are also full re-writable where as cartridges mostly aren't apart from the save data which will also bring the costs down. So I doubt the storage size or the cost the make will be an issue.

And while I get where you are coming from, the patent suggests that it will have games in the memory card

"First Basic Program" and "Second Basic Program" which are in the "Memory Card" and Not in the "External HDD" also goes into the console. So "First Basic Program" goes into Memory/Ram and "Second Basic Program" goes into the "Internal Hard Drive" which really suggests its a cartridge since the "First Basic Program" is most likely game files that gets loaded up into Ram and "Second Basic Program" is most likely any installation files or save data that gets written into the internal hard drive. Why would "First Basic Program" go into memory if it wasn't?

Oh and I am aware it mentions "SD card" but its not like SD cards can't have games inside or be "read only" since they are flash memory which cartridges are...


It's not remotely cheap enough to make a third party company say "we'll spend like $10+ on a cart for the NX version of a game that costed $0.10 for a CD on the PS4/XBO." The average next gen game is like 45GB. Those are the sizes you're looking at for something like this. There is no way Nintendo is convincing 3rd parties to pay that kind of money per game just to port their 8th gen games to the NX.

It sounds like it's just describing the standard functions of a memory card. You know, downloading something from the SD card to the system itself. If it was meant to read game data like a cartridge, the patent would have been far more explicite than that.

Well they have been doing it for the 3ds which is 8gb... 64gb microsd cards have gone down to $20 for consumers...

http://www.amazon.com/SCT-MicroSD-Ultimate-MicroSDXC-M-F64-RT-550/dp/B00JAO8MMU/ref=sr_1_9?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1440218194&sr=1-9&keywords=64gb+micro+sd&refinements=p_36%3A-2000

There is no way that companies are paying $10 to make a 64gb SD card. It will be a lot less, specially if it's read only for the most part...

And also if it is just a standard "SD card" then it wouldn't say: "such as an SD memory card" cause why would it say "Such as an SD memory card" if it is an SD memory card? And the patent drawing would also specifically say "SD card" and not "Memory Card." Cause it sounds like it is saying that it is "like an SD memory card" but it is not or they are supporting multiple types of cards...



                  

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Frogger on 22 August 2015
FunFan said:

Plenty of third parties seemed willing to spend money on DS, 3DS and Vita carts...


First of all, no they weren't. The 3DS and Vita have shit support compared to consoles. Second of all, you're comparing 8 GB carts with 64 GB carts, which is what the NX would need to hold games like DQX. Guess what the difference is: Price.



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Frogger on 22 August 2015
Captain_Yuri said:

Well they have been doing it for the 3ds which is 8gb... 64gb microsd cards have gone down to $20 for consumers...

http://www.amazon.com/SCT-MicroSD-Ultimate-MicroSDXC-M-F64-RT-550/dp/B00JAO8MMU/ref=sr_1_9?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1440218194&sr=1-9&keywords=64gb+micro+sd&refinements=p_36%3A-2000

There is no way that companies are paying $10 to make a 64gb SD card. It will be a lot less, specially if it's read only for the most part...

And also if it is just a standard "SD card" then it wouldn't say: "such as an SD memory card" cause why would it say "Such as an SD memory card" if it is an SD memory card? And the patent drawing would also specifically say "SD card" and not "Memory Card." Cause it sounds like it is saying that it is "like an SD memory card" but it is not or they are supporting multiple types of cards...


...No it won't be "a lot less." Dude, a BR disk of a similar size is like $2 to consumers. It's 10x more for a card. No third party in their right mind will be okay with paying 10x more to port their game to the NX.

None of the patents have ever called the SD Card slot an SD card slot. They are all called memory cards on them.



FunFan on 22 August 2015
spemanig said:
FunFan said:

Plenty of third parties seemed willing to spend money on DS, 3DS and Vita carts...


First of all, no they weren't. The 3DS and Vita have shit support compared to consoles. Second of all, you're comparing 8 GB carts with 64 GB carts, which is what the NX would need to hold games like DQX. Guess what the difference is: Price.

They were also 8GB 4 years ago. Time passes, prices drop.



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Frogger on 22 August 2015
fatslob-:O said:

Doesn't matter, you required an internet connection to be able to play on the platform and the same appears for this apparatus ...


It does matter because that's not true. The XBO was always online. The NX is all digital. They're different. You can play digital games offline. You'd only need the internet to buy and download games. 



Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 22 August 2015
spemanig said:
Captain_Yuri said:

Well they have been doing it for the 3ds which is 8gb... 64gb microsd cards have gone down to $20 for consumers...

http://www.amazon.com/SCT-MicroSD-Ultimate-MicroSDXC-M-F64-RT-550/dp/B00JAO8MMU/ref=sr_1_9?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1440218194&sr=1-9&keywords=64gb+micro+sd&refinements=p_36%3A-2000

There is no way that companies are paying $10 to make a 64gb SD card. It will be a lot less, specially if it's read only for the most part...

And also if it is just a standard "SD card" then it wouldn't say: "such as an SD memory card" cause why would it say "Such as an SD memory card" if it is an SD memory card? And the patent drawing would also specifically say "SD card" and not "Memory Card." Cause it sounds like it is saying that it is "like an SD memory card" but it is not or they are supporting multiple types of cards...


...No it won't be "a lot less." Dude, a BR disk of a similar size is like $2 to consumers. It's 10x more. No third party in their right mind will be okay with paying 10x more to port their game to the NX.

None of the patents have ever called the SD Card slot an SD card slot. They are all called memory cards on them.

And the types of discs you are talking about are Writable Once where as that microsd card is re-writable. I am not saying that it costs as less but it certainly doesn't cost $10 per for 64gb Read Only flash memory when 64gb is avaliable for $20 for consumers + rewritable...

Well then they wouldn't say "Like an sd card" then and they would specifically say "Sd card" in the discription



                  

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Frogger on 22 August 2015
FunFan said:

They were also 8GB 4 years ago. Time passes, prices drop.


Ratios don't. Right now a 64GB SD card is $20. A disc of a similar price is $2. Carts aren't happening, unless you think $80 games are coming back. Or unless you think 3rd parties are going to take a $20 hit in their profit margins just to port their games to the NX.