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JNK on 17 August 2015
Pavolink said:

Do you truly believe Twilight Princess sold that well on Wii because Wii Sports? What about Skyward Sword flop?


No you understand me wrong. Could be my bad english^^

I said the Wii as a console sold that good because of wii sports.

The only reasons Nintendo would bring Zelda U to NX would be to boost the NX sales. And zelda is not the best title to do so. 

Zelda U will do very good also on Wii U. No doubt. Just see how good splatoon and co are selling. or even Hyrule warriors.

 

Twilight Princess had alot other reasons why it sold "good" on the wii. Btw I dont think it sold good at all if it got outsold by a game like mario Party 8, but okay.



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Pavolink on 17 August 2015
JNK said:
Pavolink said:

Do you truly believe Twilight Princess sold that well on Wii because Wii Sports? What about Skyward Sword flop?


No you understand me wrong. Could be my bad english^^

I said the Wii as a console sold that good because of wii sports.

The only reasons Nintendo would bring Zelda U to NX would be to boost the NX sales. And zelda is not the best title to do so. 

Zelda U will do very good also on Wii U. No doubt. Just see how good splatoon and co are selling. or even Hyrule warriors.

 

Twilight Princess had alot other reasons why it sold "good" on the wii. Btw I dont think it sold good at all if it got outsold by a game like mario Party 8, but okay.

Mario Party and Zelda userbases are very different. We can't simply compare both.

Twilight Princess is one of the biggest sellers in the Zelda franchise, and being a launch title helped. There's even a PR where it states how good was the ratio of TP:Wii sold on launch.



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Teeqoz on 17 August 2015

I'm sure the PS3's architecture was more different from the PS4 than the NX' architecture is from the Wii U. And yet, TLOUR was finished in "just" 1 year. It's not like all ports take as long as Tantalus's port will. It depends on team size, and I'm pretty sure if Nintendo releases NX in holiday 2016, the Zelda team will have managed to port Zelda U to the NX. For all we know, Zelda was ready for release this holiday, but was delayed to launch with the NX, just like TP.

Not saying it will happen, but it's not like it's really unlikely, or not doable...



JNK on 17 August 2015
RolStoppable said:

1. Skyward Sword shouldn't be the measuring stick. That game underperformed. What Nintendo needs to aim for are games like Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess, and they certainly have no chance at competing with these games with a Wii U-only release of the next Zelda.

2. A lot more people are going to think: "Thank god, now I don't have to buy a Wii U to play this game."

3. Sure, Zelda isn't Nintendo's biggest seller, but it's an IP that draws a lot of attention. Nintendo should know that, and if they analyze the Wii properly, then they will realize that the Wii was so successful because it had killer apps for different demographics at the same time. Having Zelda on NX isn't going to hurt Nintendo's chances for success. Quite the opposite, actually.

4. Nintendo doesn't make systems aimed at the casual market. If you want to form any reasonable conclusions, you have to abandon the hardcore vs. casual dichotomy. Your belief that the majority of Nintendo fans owns a Wii U is mindboggling. What about the over 50m people who own a 3DS? Are there only 10m Nintendo fans among them? No, it's much more likely that the majority of Nintendo fans hasn't bought a Wii U and has no intention to do so.

1. It was the last installment. Zelda games never sold that well.

2. Bring one exclusive game to wii u and one game to NX will allow Nintendo to sell 2 system to those people = alot more profit. Your argument is like: Nintendo will bring Zelda Wii U to PC because many people woill think "Thank god, now I don't have to buy a Nintendo console to play this game." Thats not how nintendo handles things.

3. Sure, this might also be right. But still, it is still a risk. Zelda Wii U is for many people the biggest game for wii u and it was promised to them scince years. The wii u Userbase already have hardcore nintendo/zelda fans. Many big Zelda fan played Hyrule warriors which was a big fan service and also many wanted to play Windwaker HD again.

4. 3ds 50 Mio Userbase, Sales on Zelda games are between 1,7 and 3,7 Mio units. Not very impressive. The hardcore nintendo audience which likes zelda is not on the 3ds.

 

Even if some things would be indicative that Zelda NX would make sense (like the TP perfomace on wii, which was pretty good), there are still all the points in my first topic that would make it unlikely. Overall the "not Nx points" I mentioned are far more then the 2-3 points why it would make sense.

 

I will revive this thread in one year. We will see who was right.



JNK on 17 August 2015
Teeqoz said:
I'm sure the PS3's architecture was more different from the PS4 than the NX' architecture is from the Wii U. And yet, TLOUR was finished in "just" 1 year. It's not like all ports take as long as Tantalus's port will. It depends on team size, and I'm pretty sure if Nintendo releases NX in holiday 2016, the Zelda team will have managed to port Zelda U to the NX. For all we know, Zelda was ready for release this holiday, but was delayed to launch with the NX, just like TP.

Not saying it will happen, but it's not like it's really unlikely, or not doable...

You missed one big thing.

The Zelda team is still working on Zelda Wii U. The game is probl far from finished and it was always very preidctable that they wont finish it till holiday 2015 (check the gameplay footage). TLOU was finished as Naughty Dog started to port it and still needed 1 Year.

As i saw the footage dec. 2014 i already thought, that cant be finished in 1 year. Just check gameplay videos from other games 1 year before their releases (like witcher 3). Those game already looked very polished even 1 year before release. The WHOLE Zelda team need to work till holiday 2016 on zelda wii u to finish the product. They just have no ressources to port it.

If Nintendo really finishes Zelda wii U this holiday but keep it back to bring it simultaneuosly to NX and wii u, that would be very rude.



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Teeqoz on 17 August 2015
JNK said:
Teeqoz said:
I'm sure the PS3's architecture was more different from the PS4 than the NX' architecture is from the Wii U. And yet, TLOUR was finished in "just" 1 year. It's not like all ports take as long as Tantalus's port will. It depends on team size, and I'm pretty sure if Nintendo releases NX in holiday 2016, the Zelda team will have managed to port Zelda U to the NX. For all we know, Zelda was ready for release this holiday, but was delayed to launch with the NX, just like TP.

Not saying it will happen, but it's not like it's really unlikely, or not doable...

You missed one big thing.

The Zelda team is still working on Zelda Wii U. The game is probl far from finished and it was always very preidctable that they wont finish it till holiday 2015 (check the gameplay footage). TLOU was finished as Naughty Dog started to port it and still needed 1 Year.

If Nintendo really finishes Zelda wii U this holiday but keep it back to bring it simultaneuosly to NX and wii u, that would be very rude.


Wether it's rude or not doesn't mean Nintendo won't do it.... Besides, I don't really find it rude, I find it brilliant. Launching a new console with a flagship title is rather smart...

 

Case in point:

Twilight Princess



JNK on 17 August 2015

double post.



JNK on 17 August 2015

Teeqoz said:


Wether it's rude or not doesn't mean Nintendo won't do it.... Besides, I don't really find it rude, I find it brilliant. Launching a new console with a flagship title is rather smart...

 

Case in point:

Twilight Princess


You probl dont have a wii u but want to play zelda, so you just wish that the game will be on NX so you dont "have to buy a wii u". But your wishes and the wishes from all other people are not the reality.

 

Even if it makes sense or not, i really doubt that the zelda team does have enough ressources to finish Zelda for wii u AND do the port. The game slooked far from finished in dec. 2014. The most likely reason for the delay is just, that they need more time to finish the wii u version only(as always).

The Zelda team did NEVER before works on a bigger project.

The Zelda team did NEVER before port a game to a completly different system in the same time they worked on a zelda game.

 

IF Zelda Wii U is already almost finished, they could just release the wii u version and could still bring the remastered version next year to nx. Thats what everybody would do (The last of us). But they didnt, because there is no NX version.

 

I already said something about twilight princess.

"- Only Zelda game which ever got a simultaneous release on 2 Nintendo consoles was Twilight Princess (Gamecube and Wii)

- Gamecube already had its own Zelda title (Windwaker)

- Gamecube and Wii are very similar hardware whise, so porting wasnt a big problem. I doubt NX and Wii U would use similar hardware"





Teeqoz on 17 August 2015
JNK said:
Teeqoz said:


Wether it's rude or not doesn't mean Nintendo won't do it.... Besides, I don't really find it rude, I find it brilliant. Launching a new console with a flagship title is rather smart...

 

Case in point:

Twilight Princess


You probl dont have a wii u but want to play zelda, so you just wish that the game will be on NX so you dont "have to buy a wii u". But your wishes and the wishes from all other people are not the reality.

 

Even if it makes sense or not, i really doubt that the zelda team does have enough ressources to finish Zelda for wii u AND do the port. The game slooked far from finished in dec. 2014.

 

I already said something about twilight princess.

"- Only Zelda game which ever got a simultaneous release on 2 Nintendo consoles was Twilight Princess (Gamecube and Wii)

- Gamecube already had its own Zelda title (Windwaker)

- Gamecube and Wii are very similar hardware whise, so porting wasnt a big problem. I doubt NX and Wii U would use similar hardware"


Lol, I have a Wii U.

"Even if it makes sense or not, I doubt etc." Why would you doubt what makes sense?

Just because TP is the only Zelda title getting a release on two consoles simultaneously doesn't mean it can't happen again. And like I said, TLOUR took 1year to port, and there's no way Wii U and NX will be more different than PS3 and PS4. And what does it matter that the Wii U hasn't got "its own Zelda"? Only a few very adamant fans will care if the game launches on another platform at the same time. Zelda U will still launch on Wii U.



Metroid33slayer on 17 August 2015
JNK said:
Metroid33slayer said:

I just think it is inevitable. It seems zelda is too big for wii u because of its small install base, releasing it on two systems will ensure better sales and a return on that huge investment.


Why should it sell better?

 

Little calculation:

10 mio  people are interested/want to buy the new zelda.

5 Mio of those people already got a wii u, so they can just buy the game on wii u.

 

5 Mio people left. These people dont have a Wii U OR an NX. So if they want to play Zelda, they have to buy a Nintendo console to do so.

Its unrelevant for Nintendo if those people buy a wii u or NX. They will earn money for both.

So 2,5 mio of those 5 mio people are "okay" with getting a new console for the new zelda.

makes 7,5 mio sales on NX (2,5 mio) and Wii U (5 mio)

or 7,5 mio sales on wii u only (7,5 mio) + cheaper development (no Port cost) + at least one more compeltly new launch title for NX (the game the "porting team worked on instead the new zelda)

 

If they want to reach a big number of people they would have to release it on ps4.

Alot of people would buy it on both systems.