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Wyrdness on 03 August 2015
Ataraxias said:

This sounds dandy, until you run across the large amount of the population that internalizes constructive criticism as personal attacks.   Then everything becomes a form of humiliation.  

Let's move away from performance then.    

Someone starts a minor fire in the office kitchen.  The next day everyone is required to attend fire safety training and everyone knows why.  Humiliation?

This type of implied humiliation seems to fall into the same arena as the various implied discrimination cases and the courts go either way on them.

The problem with your argument is that you're using comparisons that have far different contexts to them then what the article is saying, when someone is giving that fire safety meeting they won't flat out say you're here because Annie started a fire no they wouldn't even mention names doing it even some people are aware of what happened, often the staff are notified to put the incident behind them and be glad no one was hurt. It would just be a usual health and safety meeting, a boss circulating someone's name through the company is not constructive criticism no matter what comparison is used.



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Ataraxias on 03 August 2015
Wyrdness said:
Ataraxias said:

This sounds dandy, until you run across the large amount of the population that internalizes constructive criticism as personal attacks.   Then everything becomes a form of humiliation.  

Let's move away from performance then.    

Someone starts a minor fire in the office kitchen.  The next day everyone is required to attend fire safety training and everyone knows why.  Humiliation?

This type of implied humiliation seems to fall into the same arena as the various implied discrimination cases and the courts go either way on them.

The problem with your argument is that you're using comparisons that have far different contexts to them then what the article is saying, when someone is giving that fire safety meeting they won't flat out say you're here because Annie started a fire no they wouldn't even mention names doing it even some people are aware of what happened, often the staff are notified to put the incident behind them and be glad no one was hurt. It would just be a usual health and safety meeting, a boss circulating someone's name through the company is not constructive criticism no matter what comparison is used.

Let's back up: 

Are there federal or state laws that prohibit an employer from employee humiliation?

There is no state or federal laws that prohibit an employer from being mean or rude to an employee. The exception to this would be if your employer acted on the workplace humiliation on the grounds of illegal discrimination; such as your age, race, gender, religion, or disability

Read more: http://www.justanswer.com/topics-humiliation/#ixzz3hnmUkguS

I've tried to find actual cases based on humiliation and haven't.    I can easily find workplace bullying cases which is more narrow.  And other cases which support the above statement where the basis of humiliation comes from discrimation.

I'm genuinely interested to know if a precendent has been set.

 

Edit: Through Google Scholar one can find multitudes of articles pleading and making the case that humilation related concepts need to be defined in law.  But none so far that says that's actually happened.



Ultrashroomz on 03 August 2015

I wonder if we'll ever get good news related to Konami ever again, lol.



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fatslob-:O on 03 August 2015

The only thing that strikes me as odd is announcing an employee that's tardy and reassigning developers to been janitors ...

Other than that everything else seems perfectly normal and if they don't like the working culture then they should quit, plain and simple ...



Wyrdness on 03 August 2015
Ataraxias said:

Let's back up: 

Are there federal or state laws that prohibit an employer from employee humiliation?

There is no state or federal laws that prohibit an employer from being mean or rude to an employee. The exception to this would be if your employer acted on the workplace humiliation on the grounds of illegal discrimination; such as your age, race, gender, religion, or disability

Read more: http://www.justanswer.com/topics-humiliation/#ixzz3hnmUkguS

I've tried to find actual cases based on humiliation and haven't.    I can easily find workplace bullying cases which is more narrow.  And other cases which support the above statement where the basis of humiliation comes from discrimation.

I'm genuinely interested to know if a precendent has been set.

 

Edit: Through Google Scholar one can find multitudes of articles pleading and making the case that humilation related concepts need to be defined in law.  But none so far that says that's actually happened.


Couldn't tell you about the US as I'm talking from a UK perspective, humiliation is often categorized under bullying.



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the_dengle on 03 August 2015
Wyrdness said:

Couldn't tell you about the US as I'm talking from a UK perspective, humiliation is often categorized under bullying.

A UK perspective won't do you any more good than a US perspective in a discussion about a Japanese company.

At least we have stepped away from this being an international human rights issue.

Wyrdness said:

Konami haven't done themselves any favours though.

"Okay you're right, but Konami still sucks though."

Well, you're not wrong about that.



johnsobas on 03 August 2015

i think it's because they want to fire them but due to labor laws in Japan they simply can't fire them. Instead they embarrass them and give them low level jobs in hope they will quit on their own.



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BlkPaladin on 04 August 2015
BraLoD said:
leedlelee said:
Are the cameras present for security purposes or is Konami simply playing Big Brother???


It's to try to spot Snake invading.


You mean escaping. (Sorry if someone else done this...)