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DerNebel said:
sasquatchmontana said:

Honestly, the city stuff in PGR looks so much better.  The fact that PGR4 is an early 360 game makes it even more impressive. Had they iterated upon it like Forza, who knows how good it would have gotten.

Sweet merciful zeus. That's ancient history for us. Free roam baby. Freeeeee roam.

How about you stick to actual gameplay like I did instead of pre release promoional screenshots and gifs obviously not made from gameplay...oh wait that would mean being honest, sorry I forgot that you can't do that.

 

Oh yea.  Driveclub doesn't hold a candle to this game.  /s



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Shadow1980 said:
Goatseye said:

MS was pumping out Arcade games/ budget games consistently throughout X360 era.

Yeah. That's nice and all, but it's not the same as retail-release AAA output.

Rare was re-structuring as a studio since they shipped Perfect Dark on N64. This myth of them getting mediocre after being bought by MS is a fallacy.

Regardless of the reasons, their ouput post-Nintendo is nowhere near as good as it was when they were partnered with Nintendo.

Nintendo forewent Rare stakes. If they thought Rare was good at the time they wouldn't have let them go. Especially when Rare was making games better than they did.

Yeah. And Nintendo was stupid to let Rare go. But Nintendo's actions from the early 00s don't really have any bearing on MS's first-party output.

MS Studios can concentrate on making their holy trifecta and leave 2nd party contractors do the rest. It's much more cost-effective and less time consuming.

Except that Remedy is really the only notable second-party studio partnered to them that's developing AAA titles. And by "second-party" I don't mean a third-party studio that has exclusivity rights purchased for just one of their games. I mean a real second-party, an independent studio engaged in a long-term exclusivity contract to the console maker. Dead Rising 3, Ryse, Titanfall, Sunset Overdrive, Rise of the Tomb Raider, ReCore, Scalebound, and formerly Gears of War were/are all third-party exclusives because Capcom, Crytek, EA, Insomniac, Square-Enix, Comcept, Platinum Games, and Epic never developed games exclusively for MS. Now, it's possible that a couple of those might never have been made if it weren't for MS's backing, but even if that's the case MS has been far too reliant on simply throwing money at third-party developers in order to pad their library of exclusives. Some of those games would have come out on PlayStation as well had no exclusivity deal been reached. Sony and Nintendo have their fair share of third-party exclusives as well, but they've put more emphasis on their own output to grow their library of exclusives.

Third-party exclusives simply aren't sustainable in the long run, especially in a generation like this one where the PS4 is outselling the XBO by a 5:2 ratio globally. Fewer and fewer third parties will consider it worth their while to ignore the sales potential of releasing on PS4. Even last generation it was clear that this strategy wouldn't yield a strong selection of exclusives in the long run. After 2009 the 360 had essentially been reduced to Halo, Gears, Forza, and Fable as major exclusives, with Alan Wake and Crackdown 2 thrown in for good measure. Within another year or two the situation will likely be the same for the XBO. That's why MS needs to invest more on in-house first-party development.







sasquatchmontana said:
DerNebel said:

How about you stick to actual gameplay like I did instead of pre release promoional screenshots and gifs obviously not made from gameplay...oh wait that would mean being honest, sorry I forgot that you can't do that.

Uh, that's gameplay. It's from the intro video for PGR4, which was a composition of gameplay and replays. That happens to be bumpercam during gameplay

Betters?

Now why would you be so opposed to posting a normal gameplay video I wonder? But you wanna handpick gifs, well here we go.

There's way more like this out there, but it's way too late and I honestly don't see you acknowledging it anyway.



S.T.A.G.E. said:
Goatseye said:

-MS 1st party is woefully incapacious but what about the competition's? Until Bloodborne, none of the AAA set the world on fire. Even the latter didn't sell enough to be considered a blockbuster.
-Xbox best line up ever is not what you convinently mentioned to fit you view. Let me remind you what within the next 18-20 months Xbox lineup will be approximately:

-Forza 6 and possibly Forza Horizon 3 in 2016

-Recore/Scalebound/Sea of Thieves/Quantum Break, I can tell you that none of those are Halo, Gears and Forza. All new IPs

-Halo 5, the most ambitious take on any modern FPS campaign

-Fable Legends

-ROTR

-Crackdown

How can you guys even downplay this?  


Crackdown? Lol come on bro.

Crackdown catches a lot of shit but I've finsihed that game atleast 3 times and I will likely play it again down the road. Its a fun game, period.

Crackdown 2 wasn't bad but not a good direction. I am genuinely looking forward to another Crackdown.



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Well this thread has gone off the rails quite a bit. Before I say any more, the thread won't be locked, there is nothing inherently wrong with the OP or the topic at hand.

I hope now we can get back on topic and ease off the hostility and console wars in this thread. There's no need to be at each others throats over this. So let's just all calm down.

I personally apologise for it taking so long for action to be taken here whereas I should have acted earlier, sorry for the inconvenience.



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Leadified said:
Well this thread has gone off the rails quite a bit. Before I say any more, the thread won't be locked, there is nothing inherently wrong with the OP or the topic at hand.

I hope now we can get back on topic and ease off the hostility and console wars in this thread. There's no need to be at each others throats over this. So let's just all calm down.

I personally apologise for it taking so long for action to be taken here whereas I should have acted earlier, sorry for the inconvenience.


Better late than never, thanks. But a few hours ago wouldn't have been so bad.



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Soooo now that the dust has settled, just wanted to throw in my statement of 'Good!' =D Microsoft turning its attention to bolstering its first-party output, ideally by developing new IPs to join their established franchises as well as dusting off older ones like Crackdown, can only lead to good things. :3 I am curious as to what shape their first party efforts will take over the long term, or more specifically, what genres they will end up trying to target with their titles.



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I hope Phil can deliver it, if not then he will just make another promise without being fulfilled.



Zanten said:
Soooo now that the dust has settled, just wanted to throw in my statement of 'Good!' =D Microsoft turning its attention to bolstering its first-party output, ideally by developing new IPs to join their established franchises as well as dusting off older ones like Crackdown, can only lead to good things. :3 I am curious as to what shape their first party efforts will take over the long term, or more specifically, what genres they will end up trying to target with their titles.


Buying ips doesn't mean you can make it. Microsoft does themselves no justice by buying first party. Its just as good as third party. If anything once their contract ends with the primary developer they would just have to keep commissioning developers to make the game if they dont pull a 343 like Halo and dedicate a studio to said game.