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Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 28 July 2015
FromDK said:
Captain_Yuri said:

The fact that you can have various different configurations alone makes it vastly different than what consoles are supposed to be... With consoles, every developer knows that every person that buys the console has one configuration to work with in terms of horsepower. What that allows is for developers to build games knowing that this is what every user will have and to use that specific configuration to its fullest potential for better or for worse.

With PCs, the configurations are endless in which case the developers will need to make sure that not only do they work properly with Intel, Nvidia, Amd CPU and Amd GPU, but also that they work properly with windows and linux (if they want to go that far). And of course, you also have the Api differences... Dx12 for example will have two different tiers with one of them having some features and the other having the full set of features. And the list goes on

Point is: What is consoles supposed to be.. they have evolved ever since gen 1.. (joystik, controllers, cd, mp3, dvd, online, internet, media center, forums, streaming, digital games, digital only, membership)

The configurations have to work properly.. but I think they can manage that.. (just like sony/ms/nintendo/apple)

If we called OUYA a console (based on android) i think we should call (lets say the Alienware steam machine in the op) for one to..

What are you talking about...? Cause I have no idea what you are getting at... Yea the consoles have evolved just like technology has evolved but the difference that I stated always remained the same so I highly doubt it will be any different in the future cause a PC with a linux OS wants to be in the living room...

Also, even the Ouya has the same configuration on its first generation than Steam Machines do in their First Generation... If you buy an Alienware Steam Machine vs an ibuypower Steam Machine, the configurations are different... Even Alienware has different configurations...



                  

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Mr Puggsly on 28 July 2015

No. They are PCs.

Gaming PCs are PCs



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FunFan on 28 July 2015
Dr.Vita said:

I don't see a console in this. It's still a computer imo.


Just like the PLayStation 4.



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FromDK on 28 July 2015
Captain_Yuri said:
FromDK said:
Captain_Yuri said:

The fact that you can have various different configurations alone makes it vastly different than what consoles are supposed to be... With consoles, every developer knows that every person that buys the console has one configuration to work with in terms of horsepower. What that allows is for developers to build games knowing that this is what every user will have and to use that specific configuration to its fullest potential for better or for worse.

With PCs, the configurations are endless in which case the developers will need to make sure that not only do they work properly with Intel, Nvidia, Amd CPU and Amd GPU, but also that they work properly with windows and linux (if they want to go that far). And of course, you also have the Api differences... Dx12 for example will have two different tiers with one of them having some features and the other having the full set of features. And the list goes on

Point is: What is consoles supposed to be.. they have evolved ever since gen 1.. (joystik, controllers, cd, mp3, dvd, online, internet, media center, forums, streaming, digital games, digital only, membership)

The configurations have to work properly.. but I think they can manage that.. (just like sony/ms/nintendo/apple)

If we called OUYA a console (based on android) i think we should call (lets say the Alienware steam machine in the op) for one to..

What are you talking about...? Cause I have no idea what you are getting at... Yea the consoles have evolved just like technology has evolved but the difference that I stated always remained the same so I highly doubt it will be any different in the future cause a PC with a linux OS wants to be in the living room...

Also, even the Ouya has the same configuration on its first generation than Steam Machines do in their First Generation... If you buy an Alienware Steam Machine vs an ibuypower Steam Machine, the configurations are different... Even Alienware has different configurations...

You say "PC with a linux OS" I would mean thats a very poor description..

A more acurate description would be "Box for the tv" (designed as a modern console) whit a custom made gamer OS..

You do know that a Steam machine "device" will function as a console in all ways.. ? 

The fact that there will be more models and settings.. does not mean any for the "is it a console or not" debat.. Point is if you took that Alienware steam machine home.. it would look and function.. way more "Console" than "PC".. and I bet that all people not knowing about steam machine would see a console.



Kotastic on 28 July 2015

I don't get the whole "it's a pc" argument. Tbh, ps4 and xbone aren't too far off being a pc; look at them trying to use the keyboard and mouse and those constant constant updates. Even then, it threatens primarily Sony and Microsoft regardless what people think.



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Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 28 July 2015
FromDK said:
Captain_Yuri said:

What are you talking about...? Cause I have no idea what you are getting at... Yea the consoles have evolved just like technology has evolved but the difference that I stated always remained the same so I highly doubt it will be any different in the future cause a PC with a linux OS wants to be in the living room...

Also, even the Ouya has the same configuration on its first generation than Steam Machines do in their First Generation... If you buy an Alienware Steam Machine vs an ibuypower Steam Machine, the configurations are different... Even Alienware has different configurations...

You say "PC with a linux OS" I would mean thats a very poor description..

A more acurate description would be "Box for the tv" (designed as a modern console) whit a custom made gamer OS..

You do know that a Steam machine "device" will function as a console in all ways.. ? 

The fact that there will be more models and settings.. does not mean any for the "is it a console or not" debat.. Point is if you took that Alienware steam machine home.. it would look and function.. way more "Console" than "PC".. and I bet that all people not knowing about steam machine would see a console.

No... Its a PC in your living room and people will see it as such... Provided it doesn't flop right out of the gate which it probably will anyway... Look at this thread for example. This entire site is very console orinated but virtually no one sees a steam machine as a console. PC gamers aren't going to see it as a console cause they know that it certainly isn't one. And consumers won't see it as a console cause it will be avaliable in PC sites and in PC sections... Most of them aren't even marketing it as a console but rather a PC... So idk where you are getting that people will see it as a console from...

http://store.steampowered.com/sale/steam_machines

And a steam device won't function like a console always... There are plenty of steam machines that have windows on it including the Alienware Alpha and you can access the vanilla linux/windows without too much difficulty...

Anyway, its pretty clear that your arguments are pretty terrible so I am not going to waste my time with you as some have recommended. You can have the last word

Oh and no, steam machines isn't anymore of a console if you just cherry pick one alienware version and ignore the rest



                  

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FromDK on 28 July 2015
Captain_Yuri said:
FromDK said:
Captain_Yuri said:

What are you talking about...? Cause I have no idea what you are getting at... Yea the consoles have evolved just like technology has evolved but the difference that I stated always remained the same so I highly doubt it will be any different in the future cause a PC with a linux OS wants to be in the living room...

Also, even the Ouya has the same configuration on its first generation than Steam Machines do in their First Generation... If you buy an Alienware Steam Machine vs an ibuypower Steam Machine, the configurations are different... Even Alienware has different configurations...

You say "PC with a linux OS" I would mean thats a very poor description..

A more acurate description would be "Box for the tv" (designed as a modern console) whit a custom made gamer OS..

You do know that a Steam machine "device" will function as a console in all ways.. ? 

The fact that there will be more models and settings.. does not mean any for the "is it a console or not" debat.. Point is if you took that Alienware steam machine home.. it would look and function.. way more "Console" than "PC".. and I bet that all people not knowing about steam machine would see a console.

No... Its a PC in your living room and people will see it as such... Provided it doesn't flop right out of the gate which it probably will anyway... Look at this thread for example. This entire site is very console orinated but virtually no one sees a steam machine as a console. PC gamers aren't going to see it as a console cause they know that it certainly isn't one. And consumers won't see it as a console cause it will be avaliable in PC sites and in PC sections... Most of them aren't even marketing it as a console but rather a PC... So idk where you are getting that people will see it as a console from...

http://store.steampowered.com/sale/steam_machines

And a steam device won't function like a console always... There are plenty of steam machines that have windows on it including the Alienware Alpha and you can access the linux OS without too much difficulty...

Anyway, its pretty clear that your arguments are pretty terrible so I am not going to waste my time with you as some have recommended. You can have the last word

Oh and no, steam machines isn't anymore of a console if you just cherry pick the alienware version and ignore the rest

Remember the first models of ps3.. they could dual boot linux.. (and was still considered a console)

Was it my agument that it would function as a console..?  becourse thats from valve.. not me.

I do not cherry pick.. I just wants you to see from one device.. "is this considered a console".. rather than looking at all steam machine combitable devices and the platform as a hole.



ironmanDX on 28 July 2015

Hmm... To me it's still a pc. I can see how you can get the conclusion that it is a console though. It's certainly confusing.

Price, (for the majority of models) and functionality make it a pc imo.



FromDK on 28 July 2015
the-pi-guy said:
FromDK said:

You say "PC with a linux OS" I would mean thats a very poor description..

A more acurate description would be "Box for the tv" (designed as a modern console) whit a custom made gamer OS..

You do know that a Steam machine "device" will function as a console in all ways.. ? 

The fact that there will be more models and settings.. does not mean any for the "is it a console or not" debat.. Point is if you took that Alienware steam machine home.. it would look and function.. way more "Console" than "PC".. and I bet that all people not knowing about steam machine would see a console.

You're telling me that if I install SteamOS on my PC, it becomes a console?  

I dont think you mean like transform.. but work as a console.. :)

No.. when you use steam machine on a windows/linux or mac computer.. its only a program on top of windows..  you still have to use a keybaord and mouse some times.. and steam will only update the program (not the hole system/drivers)

But it would for sure make it more "console like" (when you have the program open)



nanarchy on 28 July 2015

Steam machines are just overpriced pc's. On top of that they lack most of the benefits that make consoles attractive while retaining all the disadvantages of a pc. I say this as someone that prefers PC gaming.