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kingofwale on 15 March 2008
TWRoO said:
I have been saying this since before Windwaker was released, and I still say it now.

@KingofWale, yes it is an opinion, but it is not based on people thinking "oh noes teh Wii can't do realizms, I have to proclaim cartoons ftw"
Partly because many (like me) have said it since long before the Wii, when Nintendo's system could equal or better the others in realism (ok XB may have been a tad more powerful but it meant squat to most peoples eyes)
And partly because no one in their right mind would claim Cruis'n looks good even if it were a launch PS2 game, and it's not necessarily a love of cel-shaded graphics either, it's just that in Windwaker it has been used beautifully and not just because it's cheaper (ie Cel-Damage from last gen was a run-of-the-mill style of cel shading that was just bland)

 Frankly, this has nothing to do with Wii and its graphical power. I personally like cel-shading if it's done right and I don't agree with the fact they are automatically viewed as 'second-class' like some reviewers think. Personally I think Z&W used cel-shading to perfection.

 

What i DISAGREE on is the argument itself. art by nature is subjective matter, you can not state it in a matter-of-fact way. Is Windwaker the best look game? No, is it even the best looking cel-shading game? Well, I personally don't think so, as I have stated, I like Z&W better.

Oh, I hate the over-the-top claim of fame for a game base on nothing about "it's my opinion" method of arguement. 



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leo-j on 15 March 2008

This is a prime example of cell shading to perfection:

 

 



 

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Parokki on 15 March 2008

Wind Waker is indeed gorgeous. Not my absolutely favorite graphics ever, but still very impressive.

How come more games don't use cell shading anyway? From what I've seen, it's a good way to make insanely awesome looking games on relatively slow hardware (e.g. Okami on the PS2). Is it really hard to do or something?



Cheebee on 15 March 2008

No it's just that usually 'realistic' graphics have more mainstream appeal.



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dante on 15 March 2008

i don't think cel-shaded games are that artistic considering they all just copied jet grind radio. But Zelda is still artistic for other reasons

games like crimson skies and SOTC are more artistic to me



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TWRoO on 15 March 2008

@KOWale. I was merely trying to steer you away from thinking what you wrote in your second paragraph about Cruis'n.



Riot Of The Blood on 15 March 2008

Soriku, has you played a PS3 or 360 yet? I have a feeling you're going to shit yourself when you play Eternal Sonata or ToV.



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Cheebee on 15 March 2008
dante said:
i don't think cel-shaded games are that artistic considering they all just copied jet grind radio. But Zelda is still artistic for other reasons

games like crimson skies and SOTC are more artistic to me

 Yeah and I don't consider 3D games to be games, considering they all just copied Super Mario 64.



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kingofwale on 15 March 2008
TWRoO said:
@KOWale. I was merely trying to steer you away from thinking what you wrote in your second paragraph about Cruis'n.

 I wrote that because I'm sick of people using "personal opinion" as a matter-of-fact argument. If you and I are free to throw it around, why couldn't some PR person use it to defend their horrible games?



Soriku (Feb 10/08): In 5 years the PS3/360 will be dead.

KH3 bet: "If KH3 comes to Wii exclusive, I will take a 1 month of sig/avatar by otheres open a thread apologize and praise you guys' brilliance." http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?start=50&id=18379
Original cast: Badonkadonkhr, sc94597 allaboutthegames885, kingofwale, Soriku, ctk495, skeezer, RDBRaptor, Mirson,

Episode 1: OOPSY!
selnor: Too Human I even expect 3-4 mill entire life and 500,000 first day. GoW2 ( expect 7 - 9 million entire life and over 2 mill first day), Fable 2 (expect 5-6 million entire life and 1.5 mill fist day) BK3 (expect 4 - 5 mill sales entire life and 1 mill first day).. Tales/IU/TLR should get to 2 or 3 million! post id: 868878
Episode 2:
Letsdance: FFXIII (PS3+360) first week in NA = 286K
According to pre-order rate in week 13 (post id: 2902544)
TWRoO on 15 March 2008

^Ok then, though that could be why Soriku wrote IMO in his OP, to try and stop people saying "that's just your opinion"... and regarding PR people: they probably do.