what are you being so defensive about? there is no reason to be upset over somebody complaining about this kind of bullshit that we shouldnt even be having to deal with in the first place. all because developers dont give the proper time to develop the games because they have to make a deadline. the reason this happens is because it is accepted by gamers and we dont care if we have to wait a couple hourse before we can play a game we just bought. its not because consoles modernized, thats the biggest line of bs ever. im still flabergasted as to why you would be so defensive over this practice. 

Console gaming is getting better imo. Installing is just a small price we have to for better graphics, online multiplayer, bigger maps, more enemies, ect.

Blame MS. They keep bringing their games to PC. Not to mention the Wii U pretty much nonexistent this gen so the only one really carrying consoles is Sony.

I thought this would be a thought provoking tirade about how a couple of young boys who were once best of friends, grew up. Far worse than the likes of gamergate, the modern console gamer has turned those same best friends into two forty year old men with wives and kids, who no longer speak to each other, because during a trip to Gamestop last year saw one of them pick up a PS4 and the other pick up an Xbox one. During that year they have taken to posting 1 star reviews on Amazon and Metacritic for the other platform, then posting 5/10 star reviews for their platform. After spending more time posting and reading negative things on the Internet, they finally vowed to never speak again after debating how a 1080p game looks better on his old 720p Tv than a 900p game looked on his friends new 4k TV.

That sure showed me!

(Sorry op, only joking, and yes it is a real pain, and will probably only get worse, till we have ridiculously fast Internet speeds 10+x what they are now.)

What does this response have to do with what was said in the OP?

I hate those long install times on console games, I still don't see why we need those, I had the same thing happened to me with GTA V on 360, since then I have not touched that game because of that BS.

What happened is that people are willing to put up with it.

Games can still run fine from disc while using the HDD as cache. Add a CGI intro that loads data in the same stream. Read from disc and HDD together to reduce load times. Worked fine last gen. Of course long installs and day 1 patches also worked fine last gen. So why bother... Installing everything to hdd is easier, no need for a different disc and digital version, no extra work for play while download / installing. Print the discs while still working on the game, day 1 patch will fill in the blanks.

As long as people keep buying unfinished games on day 1 it's not going to change. At least there's no early access yet on consoles without any guarantee the game will actually be finished. (afaik)

I'm part of the problem, buying games early although I don't actually have time to play them yet. At least they're done installing and have been mostly finished (patched) by the time I get to them :/ Plus I don't play online, so I don't wait for patches to download. It will be installed next time.

The plug and play era died with the DC,PS2, Xbox and Gamecube era. It's a shame, but that's the way of the world.

As Skullwalker said earlier in the thread but then retreated from; handhelds > consoles.

Although my 3DS seems to want to update every breathing moment.

we wouldnt need to have that if developers could actually finish games before launching them and decided to embrace larger formats. really, Blue Ray holds 25 GB and simple SD cards can hold up to 128 GB. i think its time to switch