Do you agree with the results. | |||
| Yes. I feel sorry for Goku. | 101 | 100.00% | |
| Total: | 101 | ||
The_Sony_Girl1 said:
Superman still has superior feats though. |
Akira toriyama can do that with goku if he wants to but I am glad they left him at someone who can get better everytime he face a stronger oponent
| JWeinCom said: The problem with Superman, and any comic character in this type of competition, is that they're written so inconsistently. One moment superman is hurling planets around, the next he's getting punched by Superman. In one comic Wolverine needs several days to heal from a deep wound, the next he's able to regenerate from complete incineration in seconds. Even a character as weak as hawkeye has incarnations that vary in strength and ability. So, it's kind of a weird question to ask. If we take the strongest possible version of Superman, Goku doesn't stand a chance. But, there are several interpretations of Superman that Goku could wreck without breaking a sweat. Kind of a crapshoot. |
Mr. Feeny is right as usual. Superman is as strong as he needs to be. In Superman the animated series he has trouble lifting an airplane. In the first Superman movie he reverses time.
AG80 said:
Oh come on, Kamehameha's power depends on the ki of its user, as does every energy beam and every physical attack in the show. Goku's ki energy is billions of times stronger when he's fighting against Cell than when he's fighting against Piccolo. Ki doesn't do everything, its used pretty judiciously by Toiyami. There are a few inconsistencies but they usually are used as fillers. Its atleast way more consistant than Superman, on one hand you have Silver Age Superman, on the other, he's once defeated by Batman. |
And between Silver Age Superman and Batman-whoops-his-ass Superman we have Crisis events that were created to deal with the horribly overpoweredness of this character.
Ki doesn't do EVERYTHING?
Hmmmmm.
List of things Goku apparently can do with Ki:
1. Pew pew pew.
2. MIND READIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING
3. The super power of flight
4. Sense life
5. Hair coloring
6. Shape changing - Ok, not Goku, but Frieza and Cell do this -
7. Transformation into more powerful forms that generate more ki in order to transform into more powerful forms that generate even more ki...uhhhhhhhhh....what?
8. Aura light shows
JinxRake said:
Ki doesn't do EVERYTHING? Hmmmmm. List of things Goku apparently can do with Ki: 1. Pew pew pew. 2. MIND READIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING 3. The super power of flight 4. Sense life 5. Hair coloring 6. Shape changing - Ok, not Goku, but Frieza and Cell do this - 7. Transformation into more powerful forms that generate more ki in order to transform into more powerful forms that generate even more ki...uhhhhhhhhh....what? 8. Aura light shows |
1. Any one can possibly do taht with the ki energy she has. She has to learn to do it though, as shown by Videl.
2. Mind Reading is not related to ki (where did you get this from?)
3. Flight also has to be learnt, again as shown by Videl. A powerful character may not be able to fly cause he doesn't know how to.
4. Life sensing is based on other's ki, not the user's own ki.
5. Hair colouring? What the fuck does that even mean?
6. Shape changing has nothing to do with ki power of an individual. Its firstly called transformation, and depends on the species, not the ki power of the user. It usually does however serve the purpose of increasing ki, but does not require ki.
7. Transformation increases ki, but does not require it. Goku had to be angered beyond belief to transform, otherwise he wouldn't have had ever become a Super Saiyan. Only exception to this rule is SSJ3.
8. So what? Aura is the result of having massive ki energy, which emanates from the user. It doesn't decide the outcome of a match.
AG80 said:
1. Any one can possibly do taht with the ki energy she has. She has to learn to do it though, as shown by Videl. 2. Mind Reading is not related to ki (where did you get this from?) 3. Flight also has to be learnt, again as shown by Videl. A powerful character may not be able to fly cause he doesn't know how to. 4. Life sensing is based on other's ki, not the user's own ki. 5. Hair colouring? What the fuck does that even mean? 6. Shape changing has nothing to do with ki power of an individual. Its firstly called transformation, and depends on the species, not the ki power of the user. It usually does however serve the purpose of increasing ki, but does not require ki. 7. Transformation increases ki, but does not require it. Goku had to be angered beyond belief to transform, otherwise he wouldn't have had ever become a Super Saiyan. Only exception to this rule is SSJ3. 8. So what? Aura is the result of having massive ki energy, which emanates from the user. It doesn't decide the outcome of a match. |
EVERYTHING is related to Ki in the DB universe. Otherwise I assume that Goku just magically gained an ability to read minds by putting his hand on someone's head.
Hair coloring = SSJ. Tsk tsk tsk. SSJ => Blonde, SSJGSSJ => Cyan, via GOD KIIIIIIIIIII.
Every transformation is related to how much ki the character has acquired by his training. Goku even states that they spend too much energy while transforming, and thus trains Gohan to stay in SSJ mode permanently - training for the Cell tournament in they Hyperbolic Time Chamber -.
Also, your exception is actually a rule. Trunks and Goten don't need to get super angry to transform, neither does Gotenks, neither does Vegeta - he's just frustrated by design -. While Toriyama uses Goku's anger for some drama moment with the first transformation, he only ever uses it again for Gohan's SSJ2 transformation. Otherwise, everyone transforms by being "strong enough" to do it.
Everyone uses Ki to fly, pew pew pew or whatever else => plot device => your contradiction doesn't really contradict me. Care to try again?
Angelv577 said:
Akira toriyama can do that with goku if he wants to but I am glad they left him at someone who can get better everytime he face a stronger oponent |
True, he does get better everytime he faces a stronger opponent, and he has also been completely outclassed by opponents and has died showing that his training doesn't always get him as powerful as he needs.
bigtakilla said:
True, he does get better everytime he faces a stronger opponent, and he has also been completely outclassed by opponents and has died showing that his training doesn't always get him as powerful as he needs. |
That's exactly why I keep coming back for more DBZ, even the eneminies he has managed to beat were stronger than him like kid buu and cell even if he didn't beat him directly, if it wasn't for him, gohan would have given up.
Angelv577 said:
That's exactly why I keep coming back for more DBZ, even the eneminies he has managed to beat were stronger than him like kid buu and cell even if he didn't beat him directly, if it wasn't for him, gohan would have given up. |
It may be why you come back, but still shows his lack of being prepared for battle, and losing (sometimes his life).
Just imagine if Superman comics were built according to the DB template:
-Enemy appears.
-Kicks hero's ass.
-Hero trains.
-Kicks enemy's ass.
-Rise and repeat...for 70 years.
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