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If Zelda is announced for the NX a lot of people are going to be pissed.



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Captain_Yuri said:
Miyamotoo said:
Captain_Yuri said:

How so... You do realize that going from 4:3 to 16:9 is a graphical upgrade right? My widescreen TV sure is thankful that it doesn't have to have black bars...

For me, I would trade all 3 for metroid alone let alone Pokemon and Fire Emblem

Your right... I don't... I only expect the ones that are expected which are the ones that I already mentioned... See, my issue is that without Zelda being wiiU exclusive, I could have easily skipped the wiiU and saved $350+ and not really regretted that decision at all...

Yoshi... Neh
Starfox... After that e3 trailer, I am gonna skip
Pikmin... The only reason I even have it was cause of Mario Kart 8 free game deal
MK8... I can live without
SSB4.... I can live without
3d World... I can live without
XCX... Thats a real must have
SMT x FE... Real Must have
FFV... Yea real must have
Splatoon... Yes and No
New Super Luigi U... Meh
Bayonetta 2... Real Must Have
W101... Got it only as a gift
Hyrule Warriors.... Can live without

Don't think I am forgetting anything and of course, that is imo

Now if we put Zelda in there exclusively, it really does make the wiiU a lot more enticing cause as you said, it is the biggest Zelda yet but if its get ported to the NX... Then I really could have skipped the wiiU and only really missed a few "must have" games. And the reality is... You don't know whether or not this will be a simple port... The wii version had 16:9 and it had motion controls which makes the game a lot more than a simple port. Take away the amount of time it takes to implement motion controls and suddenly, Nintendo has time to enhance the graphics or do whatever else with it... And of course, releasing it a month early is a big FU to the wiiU fans who again, won't have an exlcusive zelda game

4:3 and 16:9 isn't really graphical update, its only 16:9 support that make sense only if you had 16:9 TV in 2006.

You skipped some games: NSMBU, Lego City, Zelda WW HD, DKTF, Captain Toad, Super Mario Maker...Wii U have very big number of great games, certainly you are not interesting in all of them, so its very odd to me that Zelda not being exclusive game for Wii U is such a big changer for you.

Like @SoundWave wrote in his post above,"Like I'm sorry you don't like the system, but from the sounds of it, you don't like a lot of the core Nintendo IP anyway, yet you were buying a Nintendo system."

Like I said, I 100% certain that Zelda U port for NX will be simply port with new controls, nothing more nothing less, certainly no any graphic update. Also TP was simply port with Motion Controls.


Well I didn't buy a wii at launch cause it was soooo out of stock but by the time I did, we have a 16:9 TV plus everyone knew that 16:9 was going to be the future anyway and it really made quite a big difference playing at 16:9 as opposed to 4:3 on a 16:9 TV

And how can you be 100% sure? Do you work for Nintendo? Cause I am 100% sure that you don't regardless of what your username might suggest or else you would have better things to do than to talk with a random pervert on the internet. The reality is you don't and the fact that the wii version was more than a simple port also suggests otherwise unless you want to cherry pick

Yes later 16:9 was standard, but like I wrote that isn't really graphical upgrade its just 16:9 support. 16:9 is today standard and it will very long time standard, so you will note have 21:9 or something similar on NX port.

Because I following infos, news and paying attention of everything Nintendo doing and know what is they philosophy and way of thinking. And yes TP port for Wii version is simply part, 16:9 support and different controls don't change that. For instance Nintendo would never do something similar what Sony done with Last Of Us, remastered of game from previous generation that was old only one year.



Miyamotoo said:
Captain_Yuri said:

Well I didn't buy a wii at launch cause it was soooo out of stock but by the time I did, we have a 16:9 TV plus everyone knew that 16:9 was going to be the future anyway and it really made quite a big difference playing at 16:9 as opposed to 4:3 on a 16:9 TV

And how can you be 100% sure? Do you work for Nintendo? Cause I am 100% sure that you don't regardless of what your username might suggest or else you would have better things to do than to talk with a random pervert on the internet. The reality is you don't and the fact that the wii version was more than a simple port also suggests otherwise unless you want to cherry pick

Yes later 16:9 was standard, but like I wrote that isn't really graphical upgrade its just 16:9 support. 16:9 is today standard and it will very long time standard, so you will note have 21:9 or something similar on NX port.

Because I following infos, news and paying attention of everything Nintendo doing and know what is they philosophy and way of thinking. And yes TP port for Wii version is simply part, 16:9 support and different controls don't change that. For instance Nintendo would never do something similar what Sony done with Last Of Us, remastered of game from previous generation that was old only one year.

Well clearly you havn't been paying enough attention if you missed Reggie saying exclusively on wiiU. Also the fact that if Zelda U gets ported to the NX at launch, the wiiU will be the first console in the history of Nintendo to not have an exclusive Zelda game. Which "way of thinking" does that follow cause for the past 20+ years, they sure managed to put at least one exclusive Zelda game per console

But anyway... Saying that 16:9 support and significantly different controls still makes it a simple port is nonsense at best... They had to redo so many sections in TP in order to make it work with the motion controls. Like with the fishing and aiming with the bow and the wolf attack and etc... Those all had to be redone to make sure that they work properly with the motion controls which takes lots of time and effort to do. And of course, changing the aspect ratio also means they had to redo various sections of the game, specially the cutscenes, to make sure that there aren't any oddities during those sections. You take away both of those and bam, Nintendo has plenty of time to improve the graphics and etc cause if TP is any indication, they certainly want to change something to make it different

And I never really said remaster... I said port... U know, like how Nintendo ported wii games to the wiiU on the eshop...



                  

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Captain_Yuri said:
Miyamotoo said:
Captain_Yuri said:

Well I didn't buy a wii at launch cause it was soooo out of stock but by the time I did, we have a 16:9 TV plus everyone knew that 16:9 was going to be the future anyway and it really made quite a big difference playing at 16:9 as opposed to 4:3 on a 16:9 TV

And how can you be 100% sure? Do you work for Nintendo? Cause I am 100% sure that you don't regardless of what your username might suggest or else you would have better things to do than to talk with a random pervert on the internet. The reality is you don't and the fact that the wii version was more than a simple port also suggests otherwise unless you want to cherry pick

Yes later 16:9 was standard, but like I wrote that isn't really graphical upgrade its just 16:9 support. 16:9 is today standard and it will very long time standard, so you will note have 21:9 or something similar on NX port.

Because I following infos, news and paying attention of everything Nintendo doing and know what is they philosophy and way of thinking. And yes TP port for Wii version is simply part, 16:9 support and different controls don't change that. For instance Nintendo would never do something similar what Sony done with Last Of Us, remastered of game from previous generation that was old only one year.

Well clearly you havn't been paying enough attention if you missed Reggie saying exclusively on wiiU. Also the fact that if Zelda U gets ported to the NX at launch, the wiiU will be the first console in the history of Nintendo to not have an exclusive Zelda game. Which "way of thinking" does that follow cause for the past 20+ years, they sure managed to put at least one exclusive Zelda game per console

But anyway... Saying that 16:9 support and significantly different controls still makes it a simple port is nonsense at best... They had to redo so many sections in TP in order to make it work with the motion controls. Like with the fishing and aiming with the bow and the wolf attack and etc... Those all had to be redone to make sure that they work properly with the motion controls which takes lots of time and effort to do. And of course, changing the aspect ratio also means they had to redo various sections of the game, specially the cutscenes, to make sure that there aren't any oddities during those sections. You take away both of those and bam, Nintendo has plenty of time to improve the graphics and etc

And I never really said remaster... I said port... U know, like how Nintendo ported wii games to the wiiU on the eshop...

Well I already stated that I dont paying big attention what Reggie saying, he saying lots of stuffs and some of them are just PR talk, his personal opinion or nonsense.

Wii U is also first Nintendo HD console and Zelda U will be first HD Zelda with biggest world ever add to that Wii U is their worst selling console ever. So yes, they had a quite a problems this gen, Wii U sales best illustrated that.

TP is port and because was a beginning of 16:9 standard thay made port with 16:9 support and because Wii had only Motion Controls on launch they make it to support motion controls.

So what you think NX port will have better than Wii U version of game: 21:9, 1080p, 60 FPS, AA, better controls than GamePad...anything is out of question for Nintendo expect maybe controls, but like I wrote gamepad is very good for Zelda like game so I cant what type of controls would be better.




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Miyamotoo said:
Captain_Yuri said:

Well clearly you havn't been paying enough attention if you missed Reggie saying exclusively on wiiU. Also the fact that if Zelda U gets ported to the NX at launch, the wiiU will be the first console in the history of Nintendo to not have an exclusive Zelda game. Which "way of thinking" does that follow cause for the past 20+ years, they sure managed to put at least one exclusive Zelda game per console

But anyway... Saying that 16:9 support and significantly different controls still makes it a simple port is nonsense at best... They had to redo so many sections in TP in order to make it work with the motion controls. Like with the fishing and aiming with the bow and the wolf attack and etc... Those all had to be redone to make sure that they work properly with the motion controls which takes lots of time and effort to do. And of course, changing the aspect ratio also means they had to redo various sections of the game, specially the cutscenes, to make sure that there aren't any oddities during those sections. You take away both of those and bam, Nintendo has plenty of time to improve the graphics and etc

And I never really said remaster... I said port... U know, like how Nintendo ported wii games to the wiiU on the eshop...

Well I already stated that I dont paying big attention what Reggie saying, he saying lots of stuffs and some of them are just PR talk, his personal opinion or nonsense.

Wii U is also first Nintendo HD console and Zelda U will be first HD Zelda with biggest world ever add to that Wii U is their worst selling console ever.

TP is port and because was a beginning of 16:9 screens thay made port with 16:9 support and because We have only Motion Controls on launch they make it to support motion controls.

So what you think NX port will have better than Wii U version of game: 21:9, 1080p, 60 FPS, 21:9, AA, better controls than GamePad...anything is out of question for Nintendo expect maybe controls, but like I wrote gamepad is very good for Zelda like game.


Well then you aren't paying attention to everything Nintendo now are ya? :P

Yea but so was the GC at the time of release... The GC was Nintendo's worst selling console at the time of release and it was their first console to have optical media and Wind Waker was the first Zelda to have such a large open world... This really doesn't make that much of a difference in terms of relativity and GC had shit like the best Paper Mario and Metroid to boot. And Metroid was also very ambitious with it being in 3d for the first time in the series on the lowest selling console

Well a direct simple port would have been 4:3 since those TVs were still very popular.. And they could have just used a simple waggle for everything yet instead, they decided to use different kinds of motion controls for different mini games and different aspects of the game so it isn't a simple port

Well considering how different TP was and considering they could have bundled a GC controller or made a classic controller at the time of release or made the motion gestures a ton more basic than it was... I am pretty sure Nintendo wants to make it seem like the better/different version somehow. I highly doubt they will have a different aspect ratio since most companies are pushing 4k which is 16:9 more so than 21:9 and having a different button layout =/= motion controls like in TP. So... From the info we know so far... Yes, better graphics. If the console is powerful enough... 1080p 60fps instead of the wiiU's 720p 30fps. Could be something else but we don't know enough about the NX to know for sure

Anyway, its like 4AM so I will reply in about 6-8 hours later



                  

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Captain_Yuri said:
Miyamotoo said:
Captain_Yuri said:

Well clearly you havn't been paying enough attention if you missed Reggie saying exclusively on wiiU. Also the fact that if Zelda U gets ported to the NX at launch, the wiiU will be the first console in the history of Nintendo to not have an exclusive Zelda game. Which "way of thinking" does that follow cause for the past 20+ years, they sure managed to put at least one exclusive Zelda game per console

But anyway... Saying that 16:9 support and significantly different controls still makes it a simple port is nonsense at best... They had to redo so many sections in TP in order to make it work with the motion controls. Like with the fishing and aiming with the bow and the wolf attack and etc... Those all had to be redone to make sure that they work properly with the motion controls which takes lots of time and effort to do. And of course, changing the aspect ratio also means they had to redo various sections of the game, specially the cutscenes, to make sure that there aren't any oddities during those sections. You take away both of those and bam, Nintendo has plenty of time to improve the graphics and etc

And I never really said remaster... I said port... U know, like how Nintendo ported wii games to the wiiU on the eshop...

Well I already stated that I dont paying big attention what Reggie saying, he saying lots of stuffs and some of them are just PR talk, his personal opinion or nonsense.

Wii U is also first Nintendo HD console and Zelda U will be first HD Zelda with biggest world ever add to that Wii U is their worst selling console ever.

TP is port and because was a beginning of 16:9 screens thay made port with 16:9 support and because We have only Motion Controls on launch they make it to support motion controls.

So what you think NX port will have better than Wii U version of game: 21:9, 1080p, 60 FPS, 21:9, AA, better controls than GamePad...anything is out of question for Nintendo expect maybe controls, but like I wrote gamepad is very good for Zelda like game.


Well then you aren't paying attention to everything Nintendo now are ya? :P

Yea but so was the GC at the time of release... The GC was Nintendo's worst selling console at the time of release and it was their first console to have optical media and Wind Waker was the first Zelda to have such a large open world... This really doesn't make that much of a difference in terms of relativity and GC had shit like the best Paper Mario and Metroid to boot. And Metroid was also very ambitious with it being in 3d for the first time in the series on the lowest selling console

Well a direct simple port would have been 4:3 since those TVs were still very popular.. And they could have just used a simple waggle for everything yet instead, they decided to use different kinds of motion controls for different mini games and different aspects of the game so it isn't a simple port

Well considering how different TP was and considering they could have bundled a GC controller or made a classic controller at the time of release or made the motion gestures a ton more basic than it was... I am pretty sure Nintendo wants to make it seem like the better/different version somehow. I highly doubt they will have a different aspect ratio since most companies are pushing 4k which is 16:9 more so than 21:9 and having a different button layout =/= motion controls like in TP. So... From the info we know so far... Yes, better graphics. If the console is powerful enough... 1080p 60fps instead of the wiiU's 720p 30fps. Could be something else but we don't know enough about the NX to know for sure

Anyway, its like 4AM so I will reply in about 6-8 hours later

Yes, but I dont give a big attention to Reggie. :)

Wii U is selling even worse than GC and Nintendo admited that they had big problems with translation to HD and that they very understaintment HD development, add that Zelda U will be biggest and probably most ambitious game (not just a Zelda game) for Nintendo till now.

Wii was new console and 16:9 new standard so of course they will add 16:9 support, and Wii was all about motion controls thats was main point of Wii, thats why they add Motion Controls. Also you forgetting that Wii is basically OC GC, so porting GC game to Wii was a piece of cake very fast and cheap, and we already know that NX will have different architecture than Wii U, probably AMD or ARM cpu. Making 1080p/60fps would basically means that Nintendo need to make whole graphic almost from beginning, Nintendo certainly will not want to spend resources, money and time on same game when they can spend all that on development for a new game. Simply port will take them much less time, money and resources.



Sure its going to be a twilight princess scenario.



theARTIST0017 said:
UncleScrooge said:

 

Same goes for 3DS vs DS. I'd take the next Wii Sports over the next Bayonetta or Xenoblade any day. 

Well that's good. But I don't many would agree to have it that way.




Again: People bought the Wii in droves. Many, many people would rather have another Wii than a Wii U or a Gamecube. You don't know these customers because you are a hardcore gamer but hardcore gamers are only a very small fraction of the total market. 90% of Nintendo's potential customers would take Wii Sports over Xenoblade. 



Miyamotoo said:

Yes, but I dont give a big attention to Reggie. :)

Wii U is selling even worse than GC and Nintendo admited that they had big problems with translation to HD and that they very understaintment HD development, add that Zelda U will be biggest and probably most ambitious game (not just a Zelda game) for Nintendo till now.

Wii was new console and 16:9 new standard so of course they will add 16:9 support, and Wii was all about motion controls thats was main point of Wii, thats why they add Motion Controls. Also you forgetting that Wii is basically OC GC, so porting GC game to Wii was a piece of cake very fast and cheap, and we already know that NX will have different architecture than Wii U, probably AMD or ARM cpu. Making 1080p/60fps would basically means that Nintendo need to make whole graphic almost from beginning, Nintendo certainly will not want to spend resources, money and time on same game when they can spend all that on development for a new game. Simply port will take them much less time, money and resources.

Yea it is but the point I am trying to get at is that at the time of the GC... Nintendo didn't know they would have another console that would sell worse nor did they know that the wii was going to sell that much better. Yet the GC had many ambitious titles. And yes, I agree that this Zelda is the most ambitious game yet hence why you can see why I want it to be wiiU exclusive. See the thing is, I understand that HD development has been tough for them but considering how many big name titles that the wiiU is missing like Pokemon or Metroid and etc, the wiiU need something like Zelda to make it worth it

And yes, I know the reasoning why they added it but that doesn't make it any less of an enhanced port cause they really could have gotten away with doing less and still selling about the same amount but they didn't. They could have easily had a more simplistic motion controls instead of doing so many different gestures for each minigame and bow and etc. I mean, I remember many praising just the fishing game at the start for being so perfect. Also while I agree that switching from PowerPC to x86 would take some work, I doubt Nintendo just wants to leave it at that. Cause again, going back to TP, there were many motion controls elements that were quite impressive and those certainly took quite a bit of work to get right

And making something 1080p 60fps really doesn't take very long since game developers make the assests from higher resolutions anyway and unlocking the frame rate is veryyyy easy. Why do you think we have sooo many remasters? And enhancing the graphics would make people want to get the NX version and also show off the NX's true potential and it would also force the wiiU fans to upgrade if they want the best experience so there are plenty of reasons for doing so



                  

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