Sounds like sour grapes.

Calling Nintendo racist is quite a charge. But... I can see it I suppose. Miyamoto showing up in a samurai suit, which is the equivalent to a KKK robe in Iapan, and yelling at them:

"You filthy flabby gaijins! I made this studio, and pay you, not to be a great and successful developer, but so I can be your overlord! Bow down before our Emperor and sing the national anthem of Japan and rick my feet! I am Miyamoto! You are filthy gaijin, lose weight with MY creation, Wii Fit. Muahahahaha! Gaijin scumbags!"

Every single interview of Iwata and Miyamoto certainly points towards racism. I hear them talking in Japanese so no one else can understand them. I bet they are constantly using racial slurs. Think about it, Japan, you know, xenophobia, they are even making a game called Xenoblade, probably to celebrate racism.

First, I've hardly made a moutain out of anything.

Second, again, I'd like to know why you believe the development team was unsupervised while they worked on this project.  Most of NST's games have had Japanese transplants in the producer role and I believe that was the case here.  Usually project management has more than a bit of say in the direction of a game right from the very start.  I can think of absolutely no reason why it would be any different here.  The game did not get to the 75% complete point before the people in charge of the project peeked into the room.

Management is ALWAYS responsible for a project from start to finish.  If, as you say, they were not paying attention to what was going on until the last minute, then that's a much worse allegation.

As for the studio not making the same mistake again, that's true.  They've worked on nothing ambitious since then and what they have worked on has been Japanese style games.  

That, actually, leads me to believe that Nintendo has learned something from the NST situation: if your intention is to make a "western style" game, giving project control to transplanted Japanese management doesn't make much sense.

Its pretty much the same, MS didnt want to fund their games and ruined both, mistwalker was working on Cry On was pretty far in devolopemnt before cancelled. Same situation MS didnt want to fund it. Bungie and Epic never belonged to MS but that didnt stop them funding their games and buying up their IPs

Mistwalker exists today because MS put them together (funding) and Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon were their form of payment to MS. MS don't owe Sakaguhi any favors, on the contrary. Saying that MS ruined Artoon is the same as saying that MS ruined DICE (EA), how much sense does that make? Is gaming business a charity?

Bungie was a MS subsidiary from 2000 til they dropped Halo 3. They were a first party studio.

Epic's Gears of War had hit written all over it. Why wouldn't they fund it?

Again, you're simply spouting bs and don't even care to fact check on the internet.

actually it is pretty, the games they make are alright, but they dont have much appeal over here, so they dont get pushed over here as much, but im sure in there home country they are fine. Hell Hot Shots Golf is still popular people love that Tori cat thing, which is an exclusive mascot in Japan. ANd not to mention there European branch that made WIpeout(RIP) Killzones, LBPs that upcoming Horizon game. Naw bro SOny is ok in this department and even then one branch isnt imposing its will on another which is what this whole thing is about anyway.

Wow, that was an interesting read. I wonder how many other Western Nintendo games were cancelled for similar reasons? If they are more then its clearly a problem with the Japanese management, but if this is the only one, then maybe this game just wasn't good. 

Why some of you have to take shots at other companies to make Nintendo look better?

Nintendo is an amazing company, it doesn't need demise from others to look good.

Anyway, Rare was a hot studio even before Nintendo bought nearly half of their stock. They were technologically more advanced than any of the Nintendo studios, therefore they got Nintendo's interest.

Rare was a very secretive company, even sometimes to their publisher. Nintendo wouldn't know about the final games until they discussed the publishing terms. Just like when Nintendo refused to publish Conker in Europe because it was too controversial for them, so THQ had to do replace'em.

Goldeneye mp was made without Nintendo knowing of its development process.

Their biggest talents started to leave in 1997 during Perfect Dark conception.

What do European studios have to do with Sony of Japan? We're almost 2 years into the lifespan of the PS4 and how many great games have come out Sony of Japan? Just Knack? Ouch. Well, they also co-developed Bloodborne. So one bad game and one good game.

Compare that to Super Mario 3D World, Mario Kart 8, The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker HD, Pikmin 3, Super Smash Bros. for Wii U and 3DS, Splatoon, Yoshi's Woolly World, Captain Toad and Bayonetta 2.

And unlike Sony Nintendo actually supports their handheld with games that have mainstream appeal. If Sony of Japan can't make games with global appeal then that is their fault.

How long has it been since Team Ico even released a game? Yeah, I'm sure everything is alright at Sony of Japan...

Sony focuses on the West while Nintendo focuses on Japan. They do have some Western studios tied to them though: Retro Studios (one of their best studios), Next Level Games (good studio if we ignore that Metroid game they're making) and Monster Games (small studio, mostly works on ports these days, but they did co-develop Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze). Of course I'd like to see Nintendo expand to the West. I still don't understand why they haven't tied Armature Studios to them. Recore could've been a Wii U game (well not the exact same game, but A game). With the right guidance I'm sure they can make good games again. 

But I don't see the point in coming to a Nintendo thread to gloat that Sony is doing so much better. Yeah, in the West they have amazing studios, but their Japanese studios are vastly overshadowed. So they have a problem as well, whether you like it or not.

Unlike you I don't ignore that my favorite company has a big problem with Western studios. If they're willing they could make a lot of great games with Western studios though... Retro Studios is proof of that.

Simply because you don't want to talk about it doesn't mean it isn't an interesting topic.  Personally, I think the clash of ideas about how to improve the game and about how difficult development can be when you have management holding different design principles than those working below them are important factors to understand.  I really don't get why some people are bent out of shape over this.  Well, I guess I kind of know but that doesn't mean it makes sense to me.

I also never said the ideas the developers had would have made HAMMER into a good game--though the suggestion that they concentrate on improving the combat does seem better than working on more environmental interaction instead.  What I have been saying, since the very beginning, is that you aren't likely to end up with a good game in that kind of environment.  It was almost set up to fail.  The game itself is secondary to that discussion.

With many people on these forums saying that Nintendo needs more western studios, I would have thought this would have been met with more open-minded and practical interest.  I guess it's easier to just assume that the problem was the people who left and move on.

Which is what I'm going to do now, acutally.  The rest of this thread has turned into a cesspool.

Plus considering how many devs have had nothing but praise for Nintendo with working for them, I have it awfully odd how some nobodies whine about how their game (which just wasn't any fun, as shown) was supposedly canceled for racism. Seriously, this is the very definition of bitter, whiny twits trying to make their critics look bad instead of fessing up to their lack of ability. There's really nothing more to discuss.