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Kasz216 on 14 March 2008
Moongoddess256 said:
Kasz216 said:
Also to say the frontal lobe isn't important seems a bit disengenious when you consider that things like ambition and impulse control are controled there.

Heck, look what happened to Phinneus Gage. Nowhere near the same level, but it shows that the frontal lobe is quite important.

If you want to argue that ADHD isn't a problem, that's a whole different arguement from whether or not the Frontal Lobe is important.

When it comes to ADHD the inactivity in the frontal lobe isn't anything like that of marijuana use. The inactivity in the frontol lobe of ADHD is primarily located in only a small section of the frontal lobe.

Theres a reason why my tone changed from internet lollery to serious.

I think arguments against the relatively harmless drugs are silly considering the extremely harmful drugs that cause SERIOUS damage and even some pharmaceutical drugs that also cause far more damage than marijuana. I find it so silly that I do not care to develop a serious well written argument to it. I write in a style that reflects a similar level of intelligence as what I am arguing against.

On the other hand when things got derailed onto the frontal lobe/ADD topic I felt the need to actually argue about it. I feel that people are horribly misinformed about it. Schools push the medications because it makes dealing with the kids easier, so people tend to only understand one side of the story. The schools could also work with the kids and develop their strengths, but doing such would involve a large investment of time and resources. But it is done when parents fight the schools and make them create a 504 plan for the student.

 

Weren't you the person who brought up ADHD in the first place? Everyone knows that ADHD is way overreported and over perscribed... or at least i thought everyone knew that. Most parents don't care or overlook it though because they know it'll make their lives easier. Having a calmer kid that's more "normal" and less likely to act out isn't exactlly a negative thing for the parent either.

The frontal lobe is an important part of the brain. Like i've consistantly said though. I think Marijuana should be legal, I just think people shouldn't overlook it's negative effects. There are in fact legal drugs which are worse for you.

The problem is too many people overlook marijuana's effects because there are other legal drugs that are worse. Of course that's a big problem with the legal drugs too.



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Kasz216 on 14 March 2008
dante said:
i have nothing against alcohol or pot but there are a few problems with them

like some kids in my grade are to obsessed about doing it on the weekend, and a lot of kids move on to more drugs and get wrapped up in that world. Also i don't think anyone would complain about these 2 drugs if society was more responsible with them

I haven't done pot a lot but it has always been a fun time when i do it and once when i couldn't fall asleep i just lit up and that calmed me down a lot. Don't care much for drinking

 The problem is a lot of the "gateway" effect is likely just do to the fact that Marijuana is illegal.

When you start doing marijuana because it's illegal you have to go to a dealer.  The dealer of course is going to try and push you on to a drug that gets them a higher profit margin and gets you to come back for more etc.

 



kenzomatic on 14 March 2008

I think one of the potential Pros of legalizing it would be better education of the risks involved with smoking it.

1. opponents to it would see averyone knew the danger
2. Law suits would surley go after the companies making it, adding to public knowledge.
3. It would be 1 of 3 legal drugs to teach about in schools. (to me it seems more time is spend teaching the cons of leagal drugs.)



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The Ghost of RubangB on 14 March 2008
fkusumot said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:

Erego, heroin is safer than marijuana, because smoking anything is horrible for your lungs and thus your entire cardiovascular system.


 RubangB - I found much to agree with in your post. This one line that I've picked out though is egregiously incorrect. I've had three friends OD in just the last year and more than a dozen over the last 30 years. It's very hard to die (impossible?) by itself from smoking too much marijuana. It's very easy to die from just a slight miscalculation in the dosage of heroin taken and almost impossible to tell because purity levels vary constantly. And don't get me started on that shit that was going around that was laced with fentanyl.

Ergo, heroin is a powerful CNS depressant that can shut down your entire cardiovascular system in seconds and lead to near instant death.

Anyways, you know, just saying. I did agree with the rest of your post.


 

 Well yeah, there's the purity problem.  But if these drugs were both legal and clean and regulated and safe, that wouldn't be an issue.  I'm not advocating using at all, I'm just saying that if it was clean, and a safe amount was available, there would be no permanent side effects.  But the way it is now, it's definitely totally fucked.

 



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fkusumot on 14 March 2008
The Ghost of RubangB said:
 

 Well yeah, there's the purity problem.  But if these drugs were both legal and clean and regulated and safe, that wouldn't be an issue.  I'm not advocating using at all, I'm just saying that if it was clean, and a safe amount was available, there would be no permanent side effects.  But the way it is now, it's definitely totally fucked.

 


No permanent effects? I disagree.The sales of red balloons would go through the fucking roof. There would also be a crapload of people who would suddenly be of the opinion that sex was highly over-rated.

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Moongoddess256 on 14 March 2008
Kasz216 said:
Moongoddess256 said:
Kasz216 said:
Also to say the frontal lobe isn't important seems a bit disengenious when you consider that things like ambition and impulse control are controled there.

Heck, look what happened to Phinneus Gage. Nowhere near the same level, but it shows that the frontal lobe is quite important.

If you want to argue that ADHD isn't a problem, that's a whole different arguement from whether or not the Frontal Lobe is important.

When it comes to ADHD the inactivity in the frontal lobe isn't anything like that of marijuana use. The inactivity in the frontol lobe of ADHD is primarily located in only a small section of the frontal lobe.

Theres a reason why my tone changed from internet lollery to serious.

I think arguments against the relatively harmless drugs are silly considering the extremely harmful drugs that cause SERIOUS damage and even some pharmaceutical drugs that also cause far more damage than marijuana. I find it so silly that I do not care to develop a serious well written argument to it. I write in a style that reflects a similar level of intelligence as what I am arguing against.

On the other hand when things got derailed onto the frontal lobe/ADD topic I felt the need to actually argue about it. I feel that people are horribly misinformed about it. Schools push the medications because it makes dealing with the kids easier, so people tend to only understand one side of the story. The schools could also work with the kids and develop their strengths, but doing such would involve a large investment of time and resources. But it is done when parents fight the schools and make them create a 504 plan for the student.

 

Weren't you the person who brought up ADHD in the first place? Everyone knows that ADHD is way overreported and over perscribed... or at least i thought everyone knew that. Most parents don't care or overlook it though because they know it'll make their lives easier. Having a calmer kid that's more "normal" and less likely to act out isn't exactlly a negative thing for the parent either.

The frontal lobe is an important part of the brain. Like i've consistantly said though. I think Marijuana should be legal, I just think people shouldn't overlook it's negative effects. There are in fact legal drugs which are worse for you.

The problem is too many people overlook marijuana's effects because there are other legal drugs that are worse. Of course that's a big problem with the legal drugs too.

I think my motivation in my first post regarding this was to achieve either A.) if everyone reading was too stupid they would take what I said as fact and just shut up. I make alot of broad generalizations with little basis on the internet because they seem to work on those without half a brain. or B.) it would provoke a more interesting debate.I got the latter apparently. 

 



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akuma587 on 15 March 2008

Prescription medication is a much bigger danger to our society these days. People feel like it is safe because the doctor gives it to you in spite of the fact that the possession of such drugs is a felony compared to a misdemeanor for the position of a small amount of marijuana. Pills are going to cause a lot more damage to our society than pot.



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fkusumot on 15 March 2008
akuma587 said:
Prescription medication is a much bigger danger to our society these days. People feel like it is safe because the doctor gives it to you in spite of the fact that the possession of such drugs is a felony compared to a misdemeanor for the position of a small amount of marijuana. Pills are going to cause a lot more damage to our society than pot.

 No shit. And alcohol is even deadlier than most prescription drugs. The prescription drug argument is just a red herring. The first issue lies in the stigma associated with some drugs and the accpetance of others.



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