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tak13 on 18 June 2015
Soundwave said:
Nem said:

How did those good business decisions work out for SEGA soundwave? They are backing themselves into a corner. 

Your logic completely ignores future sales of said platforms and how they will be affected. If the NX is a home console, it will end like the dreamcast, and what then? Rush yet another system hoping things get better? That isnt a viable srategy.

When buying a system, customers put their faith on the system creators to make the investment worth it. If it isnt they wont make the same mistake next time. Do you think Sony has any chance of releasing a sucessful portabLe after the Vita? They wont even atempt such foolishness. Nintendo is heading in the same direction now. If you dont support your system, customers wont support you, its that simple. NX is already doomed.

I dont know who is complaining about the 3DS though. Its seen alot of support. Its the Wii U that is a problem.

The SEGA analogy again does not work. Sega released the 32X and 8 months later surprise released the Saturn with no marketing in the US. They failed to support both. 

Nintendo hasn't done that, they have supported the Wii U quite well, they just lost the casual/soccer mom demographic entirely and basically found themselves with a system that no one but Nintendo fans wanted. The Wii U is more like the original XBox which was supported by MS for 4 years than either the 32X or Saturn. 

If NX fails, then Nintendo is probably done with hardware and will become a third party. But the NX can fail just as easily if Nintendo is preoccupied supporting the failing Wii U and launches the NX slowly. 

The longer the Wii U stays on the market, likely the more damage is being done to Nintendo's brand. 

What?loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

When revolution(wii) was teased in early 2004,gc was at 14.57m(sales),E3 2004 was underwhelming(Edit:for GC ),there were the same discussions from what I 've checked in old forums that we have now  after the E3,but wii didn't release in 2005 but was just revealed at E3 2005,announced at E3 2006 and released in late November 2006. Was wii damaged because  it released after two years of its tease and one year of its disclosure?NO...

Finally,be cautious,friendly advice!

You can support your opinion but you're putting it as fact and the odds are half in favor of you...The possibility of you to be refuted is high,same as me that I have the opposite aspect,but the difference is that I'm accepting this possibility!Do you?I don't know you seem so certain about what you're saying...



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Nintation360 on 18 June 2015

agreed.



fleischr on 18 June 2015

Things started sounding really far-off once people started getting convinced Capcom vs Nintendo was going to be a thing.

Tapering off the WiiU while still supporting the 3DS is painful for fans, but for business reasons we know that's what needs to be done.



I predict NX launches in 2017 - not 2016

kitler53 on 18 June 2015

i agree with the op,.. nintendo is a business and they have to try to be profitable. sometimes that means making difficult or downright shitty decisions.

but i also agree with nintendo fans,.. they all dropped at least a couple hundred bucks into their wiiU and with that comes a certain expectation of support.


it's an all around shitty situation. but i, like many nintendo fans have stated this last week, will not buy another sony handheld device at launch. ..which probably means, if there is one, it will do even shittier.



superchunk on 18 June 2015

Agree and add that WiiU / 3DS have an awesome library that absolutely make their purchased worthwhile.

I truly don't understand the statements folks make about feeling lied to or somehow treated negatively due to the possibility that Nintendo has acknowledged WiiU is ready to be replaced in 4 years.

Its a simple fact that it needs to be replaced and to do so Nintendo must put resources on games for whatever is NeXt.



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superchunk on 18 June 2015
MoHasanie said:
Even if the Wii U is a failure, it still sold 10m consoles so far and many of those that bought it are loyal Nintendo fans who might not buy their next console because the Wii U received so little support.

I call bullshit on that.

1) WiiU has had a lot of support. I'll have 30~35 games when I stop buying for WiiU. ~20 of those will be exclusives. Plus the ~30 VC games due to the awesome revamp of the VC system that I hope is now able to be folded into whatever console is NeXt.

2) Nintendo fans will want Nintendo games and there is only one place for that. So long as NX has the content, Nintendo fans will come. Only those who bought it before PS4/XB1 and thought it would have awesome 3rd party support will likely sit it out.



archbrix on 18 June 2015
tak13 said:
Soundwave said:

The SEGA analogy again does not work. Sega released the 32X and 8 months later surprise released the Saturn with no marketing in the US. They failed to support both. 

Nintendo hasn't done that, they have supported the Wii U quite well, they just lost the casual/soccer mom demographic entirely and basically found themselves with a system that no one but Nintendo fans wanted. The Wii U is more like the original XBox which was supported by MS for 4 years than either the 32X or Saturn. 

If NX fails, then Nintendo is probably done with hardware and will become a third party. But the NX can fail just as easily if Nintendo is preoccupied supporting the failing Wii U and launches the NX slowly. 

The longer the Wii U stays on the market, likely the more damage is being done to Nintendo's brand. 

What?loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

When revolution(wii) was teased in early 2004,gc was at 14.57m(sales),E3 2004 was underwhelming,there were the same discussions from what I 've checked in old forums that we have now  after the E3,but wii didn't release in 2005 but was just revealed at E3 2005,announced at E3 2006 and released in late November 2006. Was wii damaged because  it released after two years of its tease and one year of its disclosure?NO...

Nintendo's E3 2004 was definitely not underwhelming.  It was one of their best ever, lead by Resident Evil 4 and the debut of Twilight Princess (and the debut of the DS as well).  Their 2005 E3, however, didn't have much to push GC sales at all outside of Zelda being there, and the Wii launched the following year.  

This year's E3 was much better for WiiU regarding potential sales than E3 '05 was for GC though, especially when you factor in inevitable price drops for WiiU, but I still think it's very likely NX (whatever it ends up being) is coming by the end of 2016 and will have their full dev support behind it.



zorg1000 on 18 June 2015
kitler53 said:
i agree with the op,.. nintendo is a business and they have to try to be profitable. sometimes that means making difficult or downright shitty decisions.

but i also agree with nintendo fans,.. they all dropped at least a couple hundred bucks into their wiiU and with that comes a certain expectation of support.


it's an all around shitty situation. but i, like many nintendo fans have stated this last week, will not buy another sony handheld device at launch. ..which probably means, if there is one, it will do even shittier.


I don't really think anyone can say Nintendo didn't support Wii U, here are the Nintendo-published titles from 2012-2016 (we are definitely getting a handful more published titles from Nintendo)

Nintendo Land

New Super Mario Bros. U

Sing Party

Lego City Undercover

Pokémon Rumble U

Game & Wario

New Super Luigi U

Pikmin 3

Wonderful 101

Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker HD

Wii Party U

Mario & Sonic at the 2014 Sochi Olympics

Super Mario 3D World

NES Remix

Dr. Luigi

Wii Fit U

Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze

NES Remix 2

Mario Kart 8

Pushmo World

Wii Sports Club

Hyrule Warriors

Bayonetta 2

Super Smash Bros. for Wii U

Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker

Kirby and the Rainbow Curse

Mario vs. Donkey Kong: Tipping Stars

Mario Party 10

Amiibo Tap: Nintendo's Greatest Bits

Splatoon

Art Academy: Home Studio

Devil's Third

Super Mario Maker

Yoshi's Woolly World

Star Fox Zero

Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash

Animal Crossing: Amiibo Festival

Xenoblade Chronicles X

Mario & Sonic at the 2016 Rio Olympics

Shin Megami Tensei × Fire Emblem

Legend of Zelda



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Dunban67 on 18 June 2015

The reason the Wii U did not sell is because Nintendo didnt invest in it, they did not beleive in it- There was no reason to think the Wii U would have been sucesful due to how little confidence Nintendo had in its own hardware-  So the low sales became a self fullfilling prophesy-  Had they made a real sustained effort to back the Wii u and it still fell flat i could understand - but they never did-  Nintendo did far more for the game cube re quality software, 3rd party softwaree and price cuts than it ever considered for the Wii U-  They really treated Wii U owners poorly and most of them are Nintendo s best customers-  But Nintendo knew it could treat them pretty poorly, come out with a few lame statements and still maintain the near blind loyalty of those core customers-  but It looks like they tested the limits of those people they have been taking for granted with this e3 performance-   now they have even managed to upset  a significant % of their extremely loyal core-  of course there are still some that will beleive anything Nintendo tells/sells them but that group is not enough to get the next console off to a good start in 2016



Soundwave on 18 June 2015
Dunban67 said:

The reason the Wii U did not sell is because Nintendo didnt invest in it, they did not beleive in it- There was no reason to think the Wii U would have been sucesful due to how little confidence Nintendo had in its own hardware-  So the low sales became a self fullfilling prophesy-  Had they made a real sustained effort to back the Wii u and it still fell flat i could understand - but they never did-  Nintendo did far more for the game cube re quality software, 3rd party softwaree and price cuts than it ever considered for the Wii U-  They really treated Wii U owners poorly and most of them are Nintendo s best customers-  But Nintendo knew it could treat them pretty poorly, come out with a few lame statements and still maintain the near blind loyalty of those core customers-  but It looks like they tested the limits of those people they have been taking for granted with this e3 performance-   now they have even managed to upset  a significant % of their extremely loyal core-  of course there are still some that will beleive anything Nintendo tells/sells them but that group is not enough to get the next console off to a good start in 2016


The Wii brand is useless unless you have casuals/soccer moms buying in. If that didn't happen with the original Wii, that would've tanked too. 

The problem is they bet the farm on a controller gimmick + underpowered console formula again, but this time the controller gimmick did not take off as casuals became enchanted by smart devices that had even easier to play games for free (kinda hard to compete against that). 

The fact of the matter is the "hardcore" audience that buys PS3/360 was never going to be a "Wii" to be their main game console either, didn't matter how many multiplats Nintendo got. That brand is synonmous with casual gaming ... except now it doesn't have any casual fans left.