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arcane_chaos on 13 June 2015
DialgaMarine said:
So, because they don't always want to spend the extra money to localize their titles, due them not selling enough overseas, they're racist?


??? did you read the article...or even the thread?



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Damagon on 13 June 2015
DonFerrari said:
and when american became a race?


About the same time Hispanic / Latino became one



ThatDanishGamer on 13 June 2015

I can't judge if this is serious but there are to many silly law suits in America.



Don't copy random editorials.

MikeRox on 13 June 2015
Aeolus451 said:
MikeRox said:


Again you are changing the definition of the word to fit your own narrower definition.


No, I'm simply explaining how the majority of americans see nationality and race. Older countries that have mainly one ethnicity in their country wouldn't see the difference between race and nationality like an american would. Americans often define themselves by their ethnicity first than many other things before they'll just plainly say they're american. 

I'm mixed with between irish, swedish, japanese and cherokee indian. I kinda just pick one based on my mood and check that box when I'm asked about my race. haha.  If you put 10 americans into a room and asked them what their race or ethnicity was, none of them of would say american. 


We have the same in the UK. Many consider themselves English, Irish or Scottish over British, and many are offended by the idea of being European.

This is the thing with race though, it's a broader term to define many different things rather than just ethnicity or ancestory. Racism is discriminating against somebody because of this. Ergo, you can be racist to an American on the grounds of saying "Americans are dumb". It is a racist comment, whether many people consider it racist or not.

This is why the "reverse racism" thing cracks me up, because it shows they actually have no idea what racism is. Much like how many people have no idea what a bigot is and seem to think it's just someone who is homophobic. The irony of course being with that word, most people using it are actually being bigotted themselves.

As I said, the term "race" applies to nationality it's part of it's definition. The United States of America is a nation. Ergo, all the people saying Americans aren't a race in this thread are quite simply wrong.


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Aeolus451 on 13 June 2015
MikeRox said:
Aeolus451 said:


No, I'm simply explaining how the majority of americans see nationality and race. Older countries that have mainly one ethnicity in their country wouldn't see the difference between race and nationality like an american would. Americans often define themselves by their ethnicity first than many other things before they'll just plainly say they're american. 

I'm mixed with between irish, swedish, japanese and cherokee indian. I kinda just pick one based on my mood and check that box when I'm asked about my race. haha.  If you put 10 americans into a room and asked them what their race or ethnicity was, none of them of would say american. 


We have the same in the UK. Many consider themselves English, Irish or Scottish over British, and many are offended by the idea of being European.

This is the thing with race though, it's a broader term to define many different things rather than just ethnicity or ancestory. Racism is discriminating against somebody because of this. Ergo, you can be racist to an American on the grounds of saying "Americans are dumb". It is a racist comment, whether many people consider it racist or not.

This is why the "reverse racism" thing cracks me up, because it shows they actually have no idea what racism is. Much like how many people have no idea what a bigot is and seem to think it's just someone who is homophobic. The irony of course being with that word, most people using it are actually being bigotted themselves.

As I said, the term "race" applies to nationality it's part of it's definition. The United States of America is a nation. Ergo, all the people saying Americans aren't a race in this thread are quite simply wrong.

Americans do not consider the word "american" as a race or a ethnicity as a I explained. It's simply a nationality to them. That is american culture. Yes, nationality and race can be seen as one in the same but in america's case, it's frankly not.  You can say that it's wrong or it's different in UK. Fine. That's what you believe. To each their own. 



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MikeRox on 13 June 2015
Aeolus451 said:

Americans do not consider the word "american" as a race or a ethnicity as a I explained. It's simply a nationality to them. That is american culture. Yes, nationality and race can be seen as one in the same but in america's case, it's frankly not.  You can say that it's wrong or it's different in UK. Fine. That's what you believe. To each their own. 


It's what the English language says it is (Both American English and English English). So it's nothing to do with what I believe. It is a fact.

That said, my wife is American it seems to be the non Americans on here who don't view Americans as a race. Not viewing Americans as a race is racist by it's very definition. Funny how people only want these things working certain ways.

However, if English isn't your first language, I apologise for being so blunt with the correct meanings of the words as obviously, in another language they may mean something by different parameters.



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Aeolus451 on 13 June 2015
MikeRox said:
Aeolus451 said:

Americans do not consider the word "american" as a race or a ethnicity as a I explained. It's simply a nationality to them. That is american culture. Yes, nationality and race can be seen as one in the same but in america's case, it's frankly not.  You can say that it's wrong or it's different in UK. Fine. That's what you believe. To each their own. 


It's what the English language says it is (Both American English and English English). So it's nothing to do with what I believe. It is a fact.

That said, my wife is American it seems to be the non Americans on here who don't view Americans as a race. Not viewing Americans as a race is racist by it's very definition. Funny how people only want these things working certain ways.


I've been an american for 33 years so far and not one born and bred american will say they're race is american. Not every culture is the same even if the color of their skin is the same. British and Americans have  a different dialect of english. We don't understand each other's slang. I can watch a british film and understand it only slightly better than anime. I have to use subtitles and google certain terms that brits use.

My point is that you obviously believe differently and the entire UK probably agrees with you but the vast majority of americans don't. I'm completely fine with that. Not everyone has to agree on every little thing and sometimes, people just need to accept that some people are different.



DonFerrari on 13 June 2015
MikeRox said:
DonFerrari said:
and when american became a race?


The dictionary definition of "race" includes groups with the same nationality. Americans are a race.

When did the internet become so hell bent on changing the meanings of words to suit their own narrow definitions?

If you don't consider American a race, then I am afraid you are just factually incorrect.


You are spinning definitions to your intent...

If American are a race why would anyone discuss minorities??? Or will you say a person can have 10 different races? I'm White, American, Northern, Immigrant, etc... and each of them is a race I have?



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mornelithe on 13 June 2015
Aeolus451 said:
mornelithe said:

Not sure justice is served if we simply assume any lawsuit brought forth by an American is simply false, otherwise, I think Baltimore and Ferguson Missouri might be in a sticky situation.  More likely, cases should be analyzed in a case by case basis (as is the norm).  Frivilous lawsuits will always be an issue when people have the rights they do in America (people abuse all systems, we know this.  Cops are too aggressive, military can violate rules of engagement or engage in horrific things, lawyers, banks, insurance, employers, hospitals etc....., this doesn't mean they're all bad, or all innocent.  Just that there are some people out there willing to try to abuse the system for gain.  Ignoring all lawsuits, would solve nothing.


No. No. No.... I wasn't saying that the US should ignore all lawsuits or anything like that. I personally will side the people being suied over the other side because of the growing frequency of frivolous lawsuits and people in general taking their liberties too far. That's just me. Should the government do that? No. I agree that the system should be there to protect people but then again it shouldn't be exploited for personal gain no where to the extent that it has. It sets the wrong precedent. The process in how they choose which lawsuits are allowed needs to be refined though. 

Agree with you completely, but, how to fix it...that's the conundrum.



StuOhQ on 13 June 2015

Having worked for a Japanese company, I really don't doubt any of his claims. If any of this is true, Bandai needs to make some serious changes (and be reprimanded for their actions).



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