'born that way' is a joke, just like people who claim that violent males act that way because of genetics. I can agree that in many cases its partially due to upbringing, but evne so, a human is fully capable of making their own choices and acting (or controlling and not acting) on obviously inappropriate desires or goals, whether they include violence, racism, pheodophilia, etc.

   the reason it angers society and its looked down upon should be obvious, something like that isn't a 'mental condition' its just someone who's sick in the head (and I don't mean crazy, I mean disturbed in a deliberate manner). 

   it's like saying that we (society) shouldn't look down on people who kill their living infant babies because they don't want to take care of them or don't have the means to. sure, there's room for sympathy but it still is a disturbing and unnaceptable thing to do and the first thing that pops into a healthy person's brain regarding that is not 'let's send them to a hospital!' but that its terrible

Pedophiles claimed to be a sexual orientation in the 70s and 80s and had campaigns and failed for obvious reasons v.v XD I'm sure someone else brought up my point, too lazy to bring anything else up since my computer is slow right now XD It'll be interesting to see if anyone in the thread defends it

There is no real difference between a homosexual man and a so called "pedophile". Both have a sexuality that is suspected to be in-born and constant throughout life.

The difference is only political and how we view deviance and paraphilias. And, anyone who thinks that pedophiles won't get civil rights after the LGBT craze is seriously delusional. They are both marginalized groups with strong lobbyists. There are many people who are gay and who are attracted to young boys.

I'm not trolling, that's an informed opinion. You can't cherry pick who is considered normal if you support gay rights. And the consent factor is also bunkum. Age of consent is merely a social construction.

There are also many people who are straight and attracted to young boys or girls. 

True, but my point is that these groups are related because they are both marginalized. People who are gay have to recognize that pedophiles have the same rights they claim they have. Anything else is just moral cherry picking. 

There is nothing stopping pedofiles from getting counseling now and they should be doing so-  I don t know if there are support groups or not

re casteration (removal of desire)  - i am not a Dr,  so  don t know the best ways to remove or eliminate desire but they exist-  so whichever is the best medical way to do so i would be in favor of- 

Nobody is saying the act of sex with a child or even having thoughts about it are good things. They are of course unfortunate natural parts of our reality, and we need to help people who have such urges by supporting them in other aspects of their life and helping them address said urges. By stigmatizing it so greatly, we are forcing them to deal with this issue themselves, and that will make it a lot harder for them to make right decisions when they have questions like: "Should I look at child pornography?" "How can I stop looking at child pornography?" "Should I kill myself for being such an abomination and deviant?" 

Many child-adult relationships are actually consentual. There is a dutch study on this. Children can, contrary to popular opinion, consent to sexual relationships. 

They fear ostracization from their friends and families as well as threat of harm to their person. In the article I posted a few times in this thread, a sex therapist even refused to have therapy sessions with a pedophilic teenager (17 years old) who desired to address his pedophilia in a positive manner. The therapist then told his mother about his pedophilic thoughts, and while the mother was supportive of her son's endeavors to live legally with his pedophilia, others might not be so much. There is a big difference between how a family member might treat a pedophile than even other deviant persons who are susceptible to harm others (people with ASPD/Sociopathy for example.) 

What did they define as a child?