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DJEVOLVE said:
the-pi-guy said:

It's solvable by tube babies!


Yes lets force the woman to undergo a procedure in which she does not want to have, good idea..  The Woman rights trump that of the zygote because she is the one who made it and has every right to decide it's fate.  Take your big governent idea's and leave them in the past.


Hope you don't mind when your mother decides to kill you, since you are the fruit of her choice she have the right to decides your fate.



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Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

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DonFerrari said:
How is it that the person would have more regret or harder time giving for adoption than killing the baby? Does that even makes sense in people mind?

If you read my example again, what would you regret more?

Terminating a fetus that is very early on the process, before you get to attach to it?

Or waiting the 9 months, waiting to finally give brth to it and seeing that baby's face for the first time, holding it in your arms then inmediatly giving it away, while all throughout the preegnancy thinking if you should really give it away, how you could keep it and all that?

Always keep in mind, that, most mothers when they say that they are giving away the kid all through out the pregnancy, get all the feeling right when the baby is born and is then that they usually change their mind. Think about the episode of friends when phoebee gives the triplets way. That is actually how most cases go, the feeling anyways, a lot of mothers change their minds.



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Ka-pi96 said:
DJEVOLVE said:


Yes lets force the woman to undergo a procedure in which she does not want to have, good idea..  The Woman rights trump that of the zygote because she is the one who made it and has every right to decide it's fate.  Take your big governent idea's and leave them in the past.

Yeah, that's just not a good argument. By that logic parents would be able to do whatever they want to children of any age. So unless you are also advocating child abuse that argument doesn't work...


That's the slippery slope argument and has nothing to do with abortion, so by your logic everything must be done to the extreme and that's just not reality we draw lines in the sand all day lone and a woman has to carry a ZYGOTE, it's up to here, once the kid is born, that's when the line is drawn, we decided this ages ago and abortion wasn't a issue until recent times.



ArchangelMadzz said:
DonFerrari said:


One of the few ways to get pregnant by accident...

All the others involved consensual sex or rape (which I agree should be terminated in case the girl didn't had after day pill).

In real life you screw up you have a chance to redeem, but not to retcon the fact... so yep, if you got pregnant because of a sillyness don't discount that on the baby.

Getting pregnant accidently is having sex without the intention of getting pregnant and you do. Wether it's using contraception or not.

Again, it's not a living baby. Psychologically we know it's not, and scientifically we only class it as a living human being once it can survive outside of the host (mother) which we then cap it and say "no you cannot have an abortion now you've waited too long it's a human being". 


Yep, let just do whatever we want and just cover it up with a pill, seems such a good reason.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
DJEVOLVE said:


Yes lets force the woman to undergo a procedure in which she does not want to have, good idea..  The Woman rights trump that of the zygote because she is the one who made it and has every right to decide it's fate.  Take your big governent idea's and leave them in the past.


Hope you don't mind when your mother decides to kill you, since you are the fruit of her choice she have the right to decides your fate.


Slipper slope is a horrible arguement and this is exactly what you did. LOL.

I see this debate will not go anywhere with critical thinking skills as yours, Good day sir.



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DonFerrari said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

Getting pregnant accidently is having sex without the intention of getting pregnant and you do. Wether it's using contraception or not.

Again, it's not a living baby. Psychologically we know it's not, and scientifically we only class it as a living human being once it can survive outside of the host (mother) which we then cap it and say "no you cannot have an abortion now you've waited too long it's a human being". 


Yep, let just do whatever we want and just cover it up with a pill, seems such a good reason.


No.. lets not force people to have children they do not want. Especially when all you're doing is preventing a fetus from developing, you're not killing a human being.

Also you're clearly uneducated on abortion if you think it's always just a simple pill.

EDIT: If you think it's ever just a simple pill.



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ArchangelMadzz said:
DonFerrari said:


Yep... the guy never intended to use heroin... he got addicted because he was breathing the air that had someone using heroin.


When did I say he/she never intended to use heroin? People are stupid and curious and give into pressure because.. humans suck.

They mess up and get addicted. I'd continue this post but reading the original one again would suffice.


You don't intend to get addict but try a very addictive substance... and you want to call that an accident that the person should be able to ammend right?

Seems like some people here want a life without consequences, where you can screw as much as you want and everything is fine... even in this site if you go against the rules (that are pretty restrict and what we do have no impact in RL) you get punished, but you want people to have unsafe sex, use drugs and call all that accidents?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Just so people understand:
Using protection is not 100% fool proof. You can use protection and still impregnate/become pregnant.

Both parties may not be ready to have a child, and may not want to put the child up for adoption, as going through 9 months of pregnancy can be a major toll on someone's life as it can interrupt their career, education etc.

Also in the earlier stages of pregnancy, it has been scientifically proven that it is not a baby, or human for that matter. It is simply a bunch of cells. It is no different to ejaculating into a sock or towel. "Your sperm could have created life, but you have ripped it of producing life". You see where I am going with this?

People should have the choice to have children, or put them up for adoption if they so choose.

To force someone to be a parent who is not prepared, does not have the finances to do so - to this I would say would be irresponsible.

Those who decide they want to give the baby up for adoption will do so.
Those who decide they want children will do so.

Also if someone is raped, they should not have to deal with a constant reminder about it for 9 months just so they can donate their rape baby to someone else. I do not know why this is even an argument.

The human race is not on the brink of destruction, there is no need for such a strong emphasis on the need to breed.

Honestly, I believe abortions or adoptions for that matter should happen more often. The amount of neglectful parents there are, leading to their children to becoming psychotic, depressed, or any other mental illness that may be involved is harmful to society.

Killing a bunch of cells is not harmful to society. The ova is essentially cells and so is semen. When you put the two together, it takes a long time before they amount to anything more than cells.
Ejaculating into a condom is essentially an abortion because you did not give that sperm the chance at life and so forth.



I'm against abortion mainly because there are many instances where the pregnant woman could've used protection or any other contraceptive method, which there are lots of them. There is no excuse. I'm against abortion on frivolous situations like the infamous case where a woman aborted her unborn son just because he was a boy. I do agree that women have the right to do with their body whatever they want, but that doesn't make it any right.

However, if a woman has a health complication due to the pregnancy, an abortion would be pretty reasonable. Apart from that, I'm pro-life.



Ka-pi96 said:
DJEVOLVE said:


That's the slippery slope argument and has nothing to do with abortion, so by your logic everything must be done to the extreme and that's just not reality we draw lines in the sand all day lone and a woman has to carry a ZYGOTE, it's up to here, once the kid is born, that's when the line is drawn, we decided this ages ago and abortion wasn't a issue until recent times.

Except then you are the one that is adding a load of dislaimers and exceptions on to what you just said. She has every right to decide its fate... except when this happens, or that happens...

Not only that, she isn't the only one that created it is she? It can't be done alone (except in very very rare cases) so shouldn't the father have some say too, since he also created it?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!

Um we draw lines in the sand all the time in life and if you can't understand this.. The man has no right to say anything, this is the problem with your ideals, you think you have some kind of power over woman, you are just the donor, once that happen's you have no role to play. If you think you do, you're living in the past and the future is going to be a rough one for you.

 

She can just as easily go to a sperm clinic. Your sperm does not make  you god over Woman. My fiance just laughed really hard at your post.