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Forums - Nintendo Discussion - Prediction: "Cartridges" will return for the Nintendo home console

Okay people : a quick lesson for those who are somewhat uninformed on the subject of what makes cartridges tick!

(1)- I see a lot of people try to equate cost by using SD or other flash memory media as a reference point. This is exceedingly inaccurate, because flash memory is inherently different than :

(2)- Mask Roms. This is what read-only mass-produced games are normally placed on with regards to video game console carts, be they old home consoles or handhelds. The process goes like this :

First, the games exist entirely in a dev system on a hard drive.
Then, the early prototypes are put onto EEPROM or other reprogrammable storage and tested on the target console or device
Last, when the greenlight is given, a mask rom master is made, and the entire run of carts is created using photo-lithography

Mask Roms are exceedingly cheap by volume. The master is very expensive to create compared to a single SD card or the like, but the further copies are minimal. Thing of it in simplified terms of an engraved plate that is used over and over on cheap regular paper to create high-quality prints.

Whereas a 32GB or 64GB SD re-writable media might cost in the $$ range, a mask rom product in a medium-yield mid-size production number event is in the pennies range instead. The PCB and cart package itself along with the label and box easily equals the cost of the mask rom, or exceeds it. The other big advantage to mask rom products is durability. Where an EEPROM or flash memory device by nature degrades over time in a fairly aggressive manner by comparison, a mask rom can expect a very long lifespan, and a much tougher resistance to heat/cold/humidity conditions. As a non-rewritable etched piece of matter, it's non-volatile in nature. Its zeros and ones are hard engraved forever, or as long as the physical materials it exists on stays cohesive. In the right conditions, its entirely feasible that a mask-rom in it's little surface-mount package could exist for hundreds or even thousands of years. The other components on the cart assembly would degrade more rapidly. Plastic by oxidation, metallic contacts by rust, paper and ink on the label chemically unbonding and being leeched by humidity, etc.

The reason that CD and then DVD replaced carts wasn't purely cost, it was technology itself. Technology has moved a long, LONG way since those optical standards were created. A return to carts for a physical media is actually pretty nice as an idea. Load times could be hugely improved, capacity would exceed non-specialty BD discs, and size (think a DS cart size) would be more convenient than a 5.25" or even Gamecube-size optical disc.



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RolStoppable said:
super_etecoon said:
If this means faster load times, I'm all for it. If it means compelte backwards compatibility with 3DS and DS machines that's be great, too. What doesn't make me excited is that they probably wouldn't include a disk drive in the machine to play WiiU or Wii games, which is something that I have appreciated about the last two gens of Nintendo.

I hadn't thought about that, but my prediction doesn't rule it out. It would still be possible to include components that allow for backwards compatibility, but that's the only thing they would be used for.

Although I do think that Nintendo might forego the inclusion of BC this time around, simply because it increases production costs while only adding value for a few percent of consumers. Another option would be to offer a more expensive SKU that features BC, but that goes against the principle of simplicity.

Perhaps they will include Wii/Wii U games on the Virtual Console? We are already getting Wii games now and since Iwata said that they plan to "adequately absorb the Wii U architecture" it may be possible to have Wii U games as well.



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Wow, i am so tagging this. Go on about it, i liked it.



If this means I can insert the sd card into the device, turn it on, and the opening title of the game starts immediately, then I'm all for sd cards.



Some form of flash memory or SD variant is a possibility. IMO, I think this could be a major step for consoles in the future to reduce load times and decrease shipping costs. Don't know if it will happen next gen.l



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I can't imagine them finding a way to make a cart as cheap as a disc. If they do, then I'm all for it. They can't go back to the N64 way of doing things with incredibly expensive carts. Plus what about DLC and the like? You'll still end up depending on other storage and the like. I doubt we'll ever go back to a simple plug and play cart.



Not happening. Physical media is already dying. When it died in music, Apple didn't try and bring back cassettes. They made the iPod.



I don't think so. Nintendo doesn't want to lose third party support so they are going to try to pack in as much space as possible into the next device. They lost third parties again this gen because they didn't listen. Hopefully they will now.



RolStoppable said:

Irrelevant. All new Nintendo games are available in digital form, so it's not a choice of one or the other. Physical media will continue to exist as long as there's a big enough market for it and that will definitely still be the case when NX launches.


Of course it's relevant. The physical market is shrinking. The last thing Nintendo, or any company, will do than is pull a different form of an antiquated media out of it's ass, especially when it clashes with the rest of the market who's using CDs. Especially when you factor in third parties. Not factoring in third parties is completely different than blatantly disregarding them. The console will stay CDs while the handheld will just be digital.



I would certainly like that, as a kid I really hated the transition from carts to cds. Cartridges have been my favorite media for many reasons.