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krik said:
Sqrl said:

Ok so this is the method krik was referring to, and I'll explain why its a horrible method. Basically he goes to each region and does it from the launch of the PS3 specifically. As you can see even this method supports the points I made in my last post.

Japan:

ConsoleWiiPS3X360PS2
Japan
5,495,842
1,973,943
414,931
1,176,052

America:

ConsoleWiiPS3X360PS2
America
9,730,065
4,249,855
7,838,110
7,087,195

Others:

ConsoleWiiPS3X360PS2
Total Others
5,818,107
4,512,586
2,683,669
3,918,032

So for this post I will explain why this method of comparison is faulty.

Now the first problem with this comparison is that all of the data points start on strong weeks for the PS3. The fact that the launch had large stagger is a bad thing from a business and consumer viewpoint but this comparison rewards it by framing it up like everything is just roses and sunshine.

Where this is really skewing the matter is the simple fact is that any pent up demand for the PS3 due to a staggered launch has been taken care of because it has been widely available in all regions for quite some time. So what you're really doing is cutting out all of the PS2 sales from Europe/Others during that period and the PS3 gets all the sales it would have had anyways since the demand is held over until the launch.

By comparing from the launch you've not only stacked the deck in favor of the PS3 but against the PS2. Pick a date...compare all of the consoles its really simple.

The least flawed comparison we can make is actually to choose a point after the launches for all regions are done. But like I said I don't think that fits your vision of what this thread should be:

From the first week in April '07

ConsoleWiiPS3X360PS2
Total
16,627,936
7,965,546
8,151,640
8,482,991

 


I didn't include Wii and 360, WTF? It does not matter if it starts at PS3's hot dates since the idea is to INCLUDE ALL THE PS3 SALES. Got it?

One more time: I did not compare the PS3 with Wii or 360, just PS3 vs PS2.


First, I didn't say that you did include the 360 or Wii comparisons. I added them into the comparison because I found it interesting and frankly adding them was quite simple so I did so.

Second, the point behind your comparison is really moot if the method itself produces a result that is skewed in the first place. If you're trying to say that you wanted a skewed result then by all means I apologize for intruding. But if you want a valid result and a meaningful picture of how the two have sold relative to each other at these different points in their lifetime my input is spot on...like it or not.

And one more time right back at you, I didn't say that you did make that comparison.

 



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Sqrl said:

Ok so this is the method krik was referring to, and I'll explain why its a horrible method.  Basically he goes to each region and does it from the launch of the PS3 specifically. As you can see even this method supports the points I made in my last post.  

Japan:

ConsoleWiiPS3X360PS2
Japan
5,495,842
1,973,943
414,931
1,176,052

America:

ConsoleWiiPS3X360PS2
America
9,730,065
4,249,855
7,838,110
7,087,195

Others:

ConsoleWiiPS3X360PS2
Total Others
5,818,107
4,512,586
2,683,669
3,918,032

So for this post I will explain why this method of comparison is faulty.

Now the first problem with this comparison is that all of the data points start on strong weeks for the PS3.  The fact that the launch had large stagger is a bad thing from a business and consumer viewpoint but this comparison rewards it by framing it up like everything is just roses and sunshine.  it doesnt really matter if he included launch sales. if you didnt notice, krik also included sales generated by the 360 from launch so its all fair.

Where this is really skewing the matter is the simple fact is that any pent up demand for the PS3 due to a staggered launch has been taken care of  because it has been widely available in all regions for quite some time.  So what you're really doing is cutting out all of the PS2 sales from Europe/Others during that period and the PS3 gets all the sales it would have had anyways since the demand is held over until the launch. what wouldn't be fair is considering sales of the ps2 when the ps3 is not available. it wouldnt make sense to say that the ps2 outsold the ps3 in europe for the period of nov06-march07 since the ps3 hasnt even been launched there during that period.  and saying that sales prior to the launch of the ps3 would have been covered becuase of the incremental sales is wrong, if the ps3 launched in erurope earlier and coinsided with the us and japan launch, chances are that it would have sold the incremental sales plus what ever sales it would incure between nov 06 to march 07, its original launch date. by your logic, if ps3 euro launch took place at the same time as the us and japan launch then there would be no sales between launch month and march 07.  and i bet you all my earthly belongings that if the ps3 launched in europe on nov06 at the same time as the japan and us launch, it will have sales between nov06 until march 07, its original launch date.  

By comparing from the launch you've not only stacked the deck in favor of the PS3 but against the PS2. Pick a date...compare all of the consoles its really simple. by removing the period between launch he is removing erronious data since there is no way that the ps3 can outsell the ps2 if it hasnt even been launched yet.

The least flawed comparison we can make is actually to choose a point after the launches for all regions are done.  But like I said I don't think that fits your vision of what this thread should be: now this i can agree with you.

From the first week in April '07 

ConsoleWiiPS3X360PS2
Total
16,627,936
7,965,546
8,151,640
8,482,991

 



Auron said:
It seems PS3 is only struggling in the U.S.

u don't consider it to be struggling in Japan?  



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Sqrl said:

I did like how you tried to put the spin on it that over the past 8 weeks things have been different though.


It's only spin if he cherry picks the 8 weeks. Picking the last 8 weeks is a valid trend assessment. He also showed all the data from LTD, and gave honest comparisons.

Just because the PS3 is doing better, and you don't like that fact, does not make it spin.



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Sqrl said:
krik said:
Sqrl said:

Ok so this is the method krik was referring to, and I'll explain why its a horrible method. Basically he goes to each region and does it from the launch of the PS3 specifically. As you can see even this method supports the points I made in my last post.

Japan:

ConsoleWiiPS3X360PS2
Japan
5,495,842
1,973,943
414,931
1,176,052

America:

ConsoleWiiPS3X360PS2
America
9,730,065
4,249,855
7,838,110
7,087,195

Others:

ConsoleWiiPS3X360PS2
Total Others
5,818,107
4,512,586
2,683,669
3,918,032

So for this post I will explain why this method of comparison is faulty.

Now the first problem with this comparison is that all of the data points start on strong weeks for the PS3. The fact that the launch had large stagger is a bad thing from a business and consumer viewpoint but this comparison rewards it by framing it up like everything is just roses and sunshine.

Where this is really skewing the matter is the simple fact is that any pent up demand for the PS3 due to a staggered launch has been taken care of because it has been widely available in all regions for quite some time. So what you're really doing is cutting out all of the PS2 sales from Europe/Others during that period and the PS3 gets all the sales it would have had anyways since the demand is held over until the launch.

By comparing from the launch you've not only stacked the deck in favor of the PS3 but against the PS2. Pick a date...compare all of the consoles its really simple.

The least flawed comparison we can make is actually to choose a point after the launches for all regions are done. But like I said I don't think that fits your vision of what this thread should be:

From the first week in April '07

ConsoleWiiPS3X360PS2
Total
16,627,936
7,965,546
8,151,640
8,482,991

 


I didn't include Wii and 360, WTF? It does not matter if it starts at PS3's hot dates since the idea is to INCLUDE ALL THE PS3 SALES. Got it?

One more time: I did not compare the PS3 with Wii or 360, just PS3 vs PS2.


First, I didn't say that you did include the 360 or Wii comparisons. I added them into the comparison because I found it interesting and frankly adding them was quite simple so I did so.

Second, the point behind your comparison is really moot if the method itself produces a result that is skewed in the first place. If you're trying to say that you wanted a skewed result then by all means I apologize for intruding. But if you want a valid result and a meaningful picture of how the two have sold relative to each other at these different points in their lifetime my input is spot on...like it or not.

And one more time right back at you, I didn't say that you did make that comparison.

 


My data is comparing PS3 sales to PS2 sales for EVERY WEEK the PS3 was on sale on each region. I simply used the proper launch dates for each region but you seem to think it's actually better to just use the Japanese launch date  WW even when it preceeds the NA launch date by a few weeks and the European/Others date by almost 6 months... oh well, I really don't know what to do anymore, you don't seem to get it so just leave it man.

 



PSN ID: krik

Optimistic predictions for 2008 (Feb 5 2008): Wii = 20M, PS3 = 14M, X360 = 9.5M

 

Wow this thread is full of crap. Kirk next time just post, "I am trying some negative spin agianst the 360." It would save people time.



elendar said:
Wow this thread is full of crap. Kirk next time just post, "I am trying some negative spin agianst the 360." It would save people time.

^^ Krik, not freaking kirk. Yes, it's negative spin for 360 and positive spin for PS2. You should have guessed by the subject.

 



PSN ID: krik

Optimistic predictions for 2008 (Feb 5 2008): Wii = 20M, PS3 = 14M, X360 = 9.5M