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Forums - Politics - Gay rights...round 3

Panther111 on 08 May 2015
HollyGamer said:
Neodegenerate said:
HollyGamer said:
If people can have the right on Gay Marriage, can people also have the right for Incest, animal sex, Necrophilia, or pedophilia, Polygamist? Saying no it's a little bit hypocrite isn't? Or where, or who the one who made the law, where do we determine the moral, if we becoming so civilize do we have to follow roman culture or ancient age because their lack of knowledge and science. Do we follow old culture to determine the human right. Who has the right to make the law or human right?


Incest - In some areas this is already fine (I believe New Jersey says that two 18+ consenting adults can do whatever, even if related)

Animal sex - prove that the animal is consenting.

Necrophilia - Desecrating a corpse isn't the same as two consenting adults having a relationship.

Pedophilia - Again, adult, consent, etc.

Polygamist - See my response on incest.

 

It isn't hypocritical to take individual situations and understand that they are just that, individual.  It is, however, ignorant to try to lump situations that are not the same into one category to try to take a stance against a singular situation you disagree with.

Yeah when we debate that Guy Mari age is also have " Bad " implication i would get banned because i know some mods in here is defending gay marriage, i refuse to accept all the reason because there is also a lot of research that Gay Marriage has also have a bad implication to human physiological and physical health for both couple and social life and people surrounding. Is all about political and defending the ideology of "Human right " , human freedom "which is have it's own flaw . I guess human don't know what is their right.

Thats strange. As a member of the gay communitym those who suffer are the ones not allowing themselves romance, intimacy, friendship and love with fellow lgbt people.

trying to deny a huge amount of people friendship, love and intimacy is one of the most repulsive things one can do. Those who suffer within the gay community are those who isolate themselves, going throughout their entire lifes playing and acting as someone they are not. The mental ramifications of being a constant actor, denying themselves company of likeminded people, is the reason a lot of lgbt members commit suicide. 

If someone were to deny you a girlfriend, deny you to be around your best friends, deny you basic civil rights, deny you to visit your brothers, cousins and family. Im sure you could gather some perspective.



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HollyGamer on 08 May 2015
Torillian said:
HollyGamer said:
If people can have the right on Gay Marriage, can people also have the right for Incest, animal sex, Necrophilia, or pedophilia, Polygamist? Saying no it's a little bit hypocrite isn't? Or where, or who the one who made the law, where do we determine the moral, if we becoming so civilize do we have to follow roman culture or ancient age because their lack of knowledge and science. Do we follow old culture to determine the human right. Who has the right to make the law or human right?


Polygamist would follow, but the rest of your examples have obvious logical reasons to remain illegal.  Incest has been known to produce children with an overly high proclivity for genetic defects while the rest of your examples are with people, animals, or things which cannot by definition give consent.  Marriage should simply be a pledge of love between any number of consenting individuals.  This definition procludes negates the possibilities of animal sex, necrophilia or pedophilia while giving rights to consenting adults that they should logically have.  

Hah you speak with scientific  language but you failed to mention that gay marriage also (in fact) cause a lot of disease and cause  a lot of physiological disease. "Marriage should simply be a pledge of love between any number of consenting individuals." who said that? is it science? who said that? why we have to trust that word, does the one who made that understand what love is????



Dusk on 08 May 2015
Mr.Playstation said:
Ka-pi96 said:
Mr.Playstation said:

I do not wish to fight this opinion. In my OG comment I said Same-sex marriage should be allowed but it should also be kept under check, because it does indeed have it repercussions. If people want to be gay fine by me and at the end of the day I don't really care what you do in your bedroom, but stating that it's none of the generals public ( non-gays ) business is really not true as at the end of the day this is a wake up call for society.

I also want to explain on point 2 though. If you actually believe that a mother and father can be replaced with a mother and a mother or a father and a father, you should know that raising a child requires more than just love.

I still vehemently disagree with your first bit.

As for the second, I see no reason two same sex parents can't raise a child just as well as different sex ones. I grew up with just one parent so I've personally seen that having one of each gender certainly isn't necessary.

What about breastfeeding ( Can a father breastfeed ), of course not. Sure there is bottle feeding but breastfeeding is by far the superior medium of feeding a child for the first six months.

What will two mothers do when a boy grows up and he asks them " Why is something down there growing"." My friend said that he mast**** what is that?". What will these two mothers do when they have to choose if they're going to circumsize a child, which is something which will affect the child forever. What about "The Talk".

 

What will two men do when a girl grows up and tells them "This is my chest growing", " Why is hair growing" "Why am I bleeding down there". I don't think any man will be able to answer those question as well as a woman.

Of course these days there's the internet but I highly doubt that when a girl starts to menstruate the first thing a man will think is " let me find out what to say to the child on google"

And these are only just a couple of example.

Well, I was raised by my mom. No issues here. If there was stuff I wasn't comfortable talking with her about, that's what other family us for, or teachers, friends whatever. Same goes for the opposite situation that you mentioned. Do I have a father? Yes. Do I know him? Nope, he's not part of the picture. I also know some parents that are in same sex marriages and their children are just fine, no worse off than any other straight sex marriages. Being guy doesn't make someone inherently less capable. By your thought process here, I should be pretty messed up with only being raised by my mom. I'm happily married to my wife, have been for going on 11 years now. There are hard times and easy times, most of the hard stuff was near the beginning so far though. Guess I must be the exception?





Gotta figure out how to set these up lol.

StarOcean on 08 May 2015

Oh dear, something tells me this thread won't end well...



JRPGfan on 08 May 2015
HollyGamer said:

Hah you speak with scientific  language but you failed to mention that gay marriage also (in fact) cause a lot of disease and cause  a lot of physiological disease. "Marriage should simply be a pledge of love between any number of consenting individuals." who said that? is it science? who said that? why we have to trust that word, does the one who made that understand what love is????


Are you serious? I cant tell if your trolling or not.



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Tamron on 08 May 2015

My take on the whole topic:

If two people want to marry, regardless of their reasons, religion or gender, they should be allowed to do so, there is no benefit, what so ever, from preventing them from doing so, and there is no negative impact, what so ever, from allowing them to do so.

About the only real reason people object to it, is homophobia.



Neodegenerate on 08 May 2015
HollyGamer said:

Hah you speak with scientific  language but you failed to mention that gay marriage also (in fact) cause a lot of disease and cause  a lot of physiological disease. "Marriage should simply be a pledge of love between any number of consenting individuals." who said that? is it science? who said that? why we have to trust that word, does the one who made that understand what love is????


You are conveniently ignoring the fact that diseases aren't exclusively homosexual.

Also, who said marriage can't be a pledge of love between any number of consenting individuals?  Why do you need someone else's affirmation before making your own decision?  How does it negatively impact your life if I have either 1 husband or 3 wives?



teigaga on 08 May 2015
Ka-pi96 said:

How is breastfeeding by far superior? Is there any factual evidence to back that up?

As for puberty, well boys wouldn't be such an issue. I mean there isn't really that much that goes on there and I'm sure mothers would be able to explain it just as well. May be a little awkward for a boy to talk about that stuff to his mother, but it's not impossible. For girls, well that's more difficult. But girls have been raised by single fathers and gay fathers before and they've managed so surely there must be a way. As for circumsion... well IMO that should be illegal anyway so they wouldn't even have to choose.


There is, breast is definitely. Its offer numerous health benefits which formula doesn't. You can buy breast milk if you really wanted but lets not get into that lol

Thats just one hurdle or misfortune, it doesn't have a lot fo bearing on the conversation of a childs welbeing. When most children raised by same sex couples are infact healthier.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-05/children-raised-by-same-sex-couples-healthier-study-finds/5574168

That line of conversation of finding any potential pitfalls is silly because why not stop poor people from having kids or people with negative genetic health conditions etc.

Regarding puberty, its really not a biggie. For us it may be because we were brought up be parents who probably had defined roles, a same sex couple probably isn't going to bring their child up in way in which they feel uncomfortable speaking about things, the awkwardness we feel is nurture not nature. I personally never spoke my dad about sex at all despite him being my dad. Also male circumcision really has nothing to do with the gender of the parent, its derived from beliefs on health/hygiene which have now been debunked. Unless your child has excessive forskin, then snipping it has no benefits  



Samus Aran on 08 May 2015


Oh, for those saying that marriage between a man and a woman is a self-evident truth I'll let you in on something...

The marriage between one male and one woman is something that was unique to Mediterranean culture and foreign to ALL other cultures. The rest of the world practiced polygamy. It later spread from the Mediterranean basin to the rest of the world throughout history.

I love the amount of self-declared "historians" on this forum. Maybe I should make a scientific and unbiased thread about the historical Jesus for shits and giggles. That would sure cause some controversy here I think.



HollyGamer on 08 May 2015
Neodegenerate said:
HollyGamer said:

Yeah when we debate that Guy Mari age is also have " Bad " implication i would get banned because i know some mods in here is defending gay marriage, i refuse to accept all the reason because there is also a lot of research that Gay Marriage has also have a bad implication to human physiological and physical health for both couple and social life and people surrounding. Is all about political and defending the ideology of "Human right " , human freedom "which is have it's own flaw . I guess human don't know what is their right.


How much of this research is done by an impartial group that has "no dog in the fight" and how much of it is done by the conservative religious groups in an effort to forward their own agenda?

and??? how about "Human right "  they have their own agenda. What about Gay right, they probably have their own agenda. It simple actualy,  gay right that back up by "human right " is simply  a flaw a BIG FLAW made by human ego  and simply cannot use as a law.