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Seems like green team is still ahead. Nvidia recently pulled some bullcrap with that Batman game though. Plus the gameworks thing is useless for mostly everyone. Also drivers blunder with nerfing previous gen cards. Get your act together.

Although Batman thing might be blessing in disguise. Game is just not that good because of the crapmobile.



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fatslob-:O said:

Even though the Fury X was a bust, I'm impressed how AMD finally managed to catch up with Nvidia when it comes to tessellation perfomance per resource wise. 

When you consider how GM200 has 6 rasterizers/set-ups in comparison to Fiji's 4 rasterizers/set-up, Fiji is just as efficient as GM200 in primitive throughput ...

Fury X is not a bust, it's just not the great success that many thought it would be after so many rumors. But it's still a very good card with the best reference cooling solution ever.

And the second batch of cards with the revised pumps and hopefully no coil whine will be better.

And in regards to Tessellation, AMD already showed that they fixed it with GCN 1.2 on the R9 285 that carried over to Fiji.



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JEMC said:

Fury X is not a bust, it's just not the great success that many thought it would be after so many rumors. But it's still a very good card with the best reference cooling solution ever.

And the second batch of cards with the revised pumps and hopefully no coil whine will be better.

And in regards to Tessellation, AMD already showed that they fixed it with GCN 1.2 on the R9 285 that carried over to Fiji.

I would consider it to be a bust since it isn't superior to the competition in any metric like perf/die area, perf/watt, and performance crown ... 

It doesn't even overclock all that well either ...

They certainly may have fixed it with Tonga but it's clear that there were still some strides to be made in order to get closer to Nvidia and that's evident with Fiji having no increase rasterizers/set-ups resources in comparison to Tonga ... 



I'm glad I decided on the 980Ti. But this new direction of AMD could produce some exciting turns and developments in the industry.



fatslob-:O said:
JEMC said:

Fury X is not a bust, it's just not the great success that many thought it would be after so many rumors. But it's still a very good card with the best reference cooling solution ever.

And the second batch of cards with the revised pumps and hopefully no coil whine will be better.

And in regards to Tessellation, AMD already showed that they fixed it with GCN 1.2 on the R9 285 that carried over to Fiji.

I would consider it to be a bust since it isn't superior to the competition in any metric like perf/die area, perf/watt, and performance crown ... 

It doesn't even overclock all that well either ...

They certainly may have fixed it with Tonga but it's clear that there were still some strides to be made in order to get closer to Nvidia and that's evident with Fiji having no increase rasterizers/set-ups resources in comparison to Tonga ... 

AMD and Nvidia have different views on what the devs and by extension the market, needs. Nvidia bets on more raster and tessellation units while AMD bets on more texture units and processors. And the truth is that both are true or wrong given that the performance results they get are pretty similar.

Also, while Nvidia cards are better with tessellation, the games that use it the most like The Witcher 3 with Hairworks on run so bad on even Nvidia cards the advice from every reviewer is to turn it off completely, which is funny because AMD launched a patch that allowed to cap the tessellation of the game making it run better on AMD cards than on Nvidia cards while looking the same. So even thought Nvidia has an advantage when it comes to tessellation, it's hard to notice that advantage in non syntetic benches.

And no, Fury X doesn't overclock well, which is odd given that AMD publicly said that it would be a good overclocker. Maybe we'll have to wait until there's a way to increase the voltages.



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JEMC said:

AMD and Nvidia have different views on what the devs and by extension the market, needs. Nvidia bets on more raster and tessellation units while AMD bets on more texture units and processors. And the truth is that both are true or wrong given that the performance results they get are pretty similar.

Also, while Nvidia cards are better with tessellation, the games that use it the most like The Witcher 3 with Hairworks on run so bad on even Nvidia cards the advice from every reviewer is to turn it off completely, which is funny because AMD launched a patch that allowed to cap the tessellation of the game making it run better on AMD cards than on Nvidia cards while looking the same. So even thought Nvidia has an advantage when it comes to tessellation, it's hard to notice that advantage in non syntetic benches.

And no, Fury X doesn't overclock well, which is odd given that AMD publicly said that it would be a good overclocker. Maybe we'll have to wait until there's a way to increase the voltages.

Err, I commended AMD's gains in tessellation ... 

It's true that Nvidia GPUs are better at tessellation but the equivalence disparity isn't so bad anymore like it was with Evergreen and Fermi when it was every 3 rasterizers/set-up units being equal to 1 unit from Fermi. Right now the ratio is one to one with Fiji compared to Maxwell v2 ... 

Nvidia hairworks isn't so bad anymore on AMD with Fiji putting up a good fight against GM200 in The Witcher 3 ...



fatslob-:O said:
JEMC said:

AMD and Nvidia have different views on what the devs and by extension the market, needs. Nvidia bets on more raster and tessellation units while AMD bets on more texture units and processors. And the truth is that both are true or wrong given that the performance results they get are pretty similar.

Also, while Nvidia cards are better with tessellation, the games that use it the most like The Witcher 3 with Hairworks on run so bad on even Nvidia cards the advice from every reviewer is to turn it off completely, which is funny because AMD launched a patch that allowed to cap the tessellation of the game making it run better on AMD cards than on Nvidia cards while looking the same. So even thought Nvidia has an advantage when it comes to tessellation, it's hard to notice that advantage in non syntetic benches.

And no, Fury X doesn't overclock well, which is odd given that AMD publicly said that it would be a good overclocker. Maybe we'll have to wait until there's a way to increase the voltages.

Err, I commended AMD's gains in tessellation ... 

It's true that Nvidia GPUs are better at tessellation but the equivalence disparity isn't so bad anymore like it was with Evergreen and Fermi when it was every 3 rasterizers/set-up units being equal to 1 unit from Fermi. Right now the ratio is one to one with Fiji compared to Maxwell v2 ... 

Nvidia hairworks isn't so bad anymore on AMD with Fiji putting up a good fight against GM200 in The Witcher 3 ...

I know, and I just said that both AMD and Nvidia have different approaches to the need of tessellation, but that that difference is barely noticeable in games, and as an example I named The Witcher 3.

Because in every GPU review that features The Witcher 3, the reviewers always turn Hairworks off because the performance hit on both Nvidia and AMD hardware is ludicrously big. It's like Ubersampling in The Witcher 2, that many didn't use because it made the game run like sh!t.

Also, Hairworks now works better on AMD cards because, as I said, AMD launched a patch that allows you to change the default x64 Tessellation factor to x16 or x8, giving as a result higher fps with almost no visual changes.



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JEMC said:

Also, Hairworks now works better on AMD cards because, as I said, AMD launched a patch that allows you to change the default x64 Tessellation factor to x16 or x8, giving as a result higher fps with almost no visual changes.

It has almost nothing to do with the patch, that only affects older GCN parts in comparison to Fiji and I've heard of no such patch from AMD. They've only suggested a driver setting to lower the tessellation factors but that option has been there for a long before The Witcher 3 released ... 



Some news about Fury:

SAPPHIRE RADEON R9 FURY PICTURED, SPECS CONFIRMED

http://videocardz.com/57078/exclusive-sapphire-radeon-r9-fury-pictured-specifications-confirmed

Saphire will launch 2 variants of thr Fury, a stock speed one running at 1,000 MHz and an overclocked one running at... 1,040 MHz.

Yep.

And on another note,

EK RADEON R9 FURY X WATER BLOCKS NOW AVAILABLE

http://www.techpowerup.com/214114/ek-radeon-r9-fury-x-water-blocks-now-available.html

There are 4 variants to choose from with a bare or nickel-plated copper base and an acrylic- or POM Acetal top.

Also, while the news doesn't say it, since the Sapphire Fury cards seems to share the same PCB as Fury X, those waterblocks should also work on the Fury cards.



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OC running at 1040?! That's ridiculous, and with the low OC we saw from benchmark testers, that's pretty much as good as it gets. There's no way they'll compete with the 980Ti in the same price range, I think AMD will have to lower the price.
That said; I'm excited to see what they will all do with HBM and the insane hybrid cooling solutions (Fury X is ridiculously cool even on load) paired with shrunk dies.
Next gen of GPU's will be crazy for sure.