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Hiku said:
JazzB1987 said:
generic-user-1 said:
because religious people try to interfere with my life.


more like atheists constantly tell religious people "look how stupid you are"

It's one thing to insult someone's inteligence, and another to impose on how other people live their lives with laws and education.
I've also never experienced atheists knocking at my door, trying to convince me what to believe in.


That's because we don't live in China. :)



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Zackasaurus-rex said:
Religion drags the world backwards with all of its might.

It will die over time, of course. But there is tremendous merit in accelerating the process.


It really doesn't. There are so many other things in this world that are holding the world back more than religion.



I bet the Wii U would sell more than 15M LTD by the end of 2015. He bet it would sell less. I lost.

It depends where you live I guess. The USA seems to be very different from Germany in that regard.

I never had problems with people because of their religion. It's not a topic in everyday life here.



Naum said:

Beacuse unlike religion "we" atheists doesn't try and force our "belief" or the lack thereoff on others nor do we start wars beacuse of it.


False.  The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan was an act of militant atheism, and the Al'Qaeda formed in response to it.  

The real reason atheists and the religious aren't coexisting in harmony is because human nature dictates that there is nothing more abhorrant than another human who is very different from one's self.  Both sides consistently antagonize each other pretty much for that reason alone, and both sides try to surround themselves with like-minded individuals.  This not only ensures that conflict must arise between the groups, but it also makes it inevitable that the conflicts will escalate as the groups grow in number and strengthen their beliefs.



OfficerRaichu15 said:
Naum said:
Beacuse unlike religion "we" atheists doesn't try and force our "belief" or the lack thereoff on others nor do we start wars.

Good point but there are also atheist nuts too you know

not everyone can get slack these days.

Ignoratio Elenchi fallacy says hello.

The point here is that Atheism isn't causally related to any action at all, whereas fundie religious views are directly causally related to an entire gamut of actions. (Of course, not all of these are detrimental to society)

@SuaveSocialist

See above. You fell prey to the same illogic.



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Ka-pi96 said:
tiffac said:

That's because we don't live in China. :)

You admit you don't live in China yet still claim they do something? So you have no actual proof and you are just hating on China for the sake of it?


I lived in China before. I actually mentioned this a couple of times already.

What did I say to hate on China btw? I was only saying that you don't need religion to impose laws and education on people. China happens to be the best example of this.



Atheism is a belief system. If Atheism was able to answer all the questions then it would be different than a religion but it simply cant. It requires faith much like a belief in God. An Atheist must believe that God does not exist which is a belief and one that can't be proven. Athiests must take some facts that are known to base their belief on and requires faith to bridge the gap between what is known as a fact and what is not answerable.  I true non belief would be to actually not formulate an opinion on whether or not God exists.

I can't speak for all religions but I do feel that the wars are caused by flawed humans and not by the religions themselves. For example what follower of Christ could wage a war based on their religous beliefs when Christ instructs not to wage wars the way the world does and is known to be a paficist and the prince of peace.

The problem is that humans are flawed and have a desire to do evil things like wage wars and will look for anything they can to justify thier actions. Religion has been abused by humans to justify many intolerable acts. And if religion didn't exists humans would merely find a different way to justify the actions they were going to take.



bowserthedog said:

Atheism is a belief system. If Atheism was able to answer all the questions then it would be different than a religion but it simply cant. It requires faith much like a belief in God. An Atheist must believe that God does not exist which is a belief and one that can't be proven. Athiests must take some facts that are known to base their belief on and requires faith to bridge the gap between what is known as a fact and what is not answerable.  I true non belief would be to actually not formulate an opinion on whether or not God exists.

I can't speak for all religions but I do feel that the wars are caused by flawed humans and not by the religions themselves. For example what follower of Christ could wage a war based on their religous beliefs when Christ instructs not to wage wars the way the world does and is known to be a paficist and the prince of peace.

The problem is that humans are flawed and have a desire to do evil things like wage wars and will look for anything they can to justify thier actions. Religion has been abused by humans to justify many intolerable acts. And if religion didn't exists humans would merely find a different way to justify the actions they were going to take.

Atheism is known as a negative position, which is to say that it isn't in and of itself a claim. It is a response to a claim.

What claim does it respond to exactly? The theistic one - "God exists". The response being "No, you have failed to demonstrate the veracity of this claim."

If you can't step back from your fundamental religious views and recognize that religion has been used (not abused) to justify a plethora of social injustices as well as military injustices, then you are quite frankly delusional.

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bowserthedog said:

Atheism is a belief system. If Atheism was able to answer all the questions then it would be different than a religion but it simply cant. It requires faith much like a belief in God. An Atheist must believe that God does not exist which is a belief and one that can't be proven. Athiests must take some facts that are known to base their belief on and requires faith to bridge the gap between what is known as a fact and what is not answerable.  I true non belief would be to actually not formulate an opinion on whether or not God exists.

I can't speak for all religions but I do feel that the wars are caused by flawed humans and not by the religions themselves. For example what follower of Christ could wage a war based on their religous beliefs when Christ instructs not to wage wars the way the world does and is known to be a paficist and the prince of peace.

The problem is that humans are flawed and have a desire to do evil things like wage wars and will look for anything they can to justify thier actions. Religion has been abused by humans to justify many intolerable acts. And if religion didn't exists humans would merely find a different way to justify the actions they were going to take.


You should not have said that. Prepare yourself~~ xD



Hiku said:
ohmylanta1003 said:
Hiku said:
JazzB1987 said:

more like atheists constantly tell religious people "look how stupid you are"

It's one thing to insult someone's inteligence, and another to impose on how other people live their lives with laws and education.
I've also never experienced atheists knocking at my door, trying to convince me what to believe in.


But why the fuck so you get to tell me I'm stupid for being religious?

People insult each other all the time for any reason, be it religeon, sports, gaming, fashion, music, etc.
That is completely different from imposing your beliefs on how people should live their lives in society through law.


But people assume that I must be an unintelligent person solely because I'm religious, which doesn't make sense. You're skirting around my responses. And I meant do, not so, in my previous post.



I bet the Wii U would sell more than 15M LTD by the end of 2015. He bet it would sell less. I lost.