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HollyGamer on 20 April 2015
Materia-Blade said:
thismeintiel said:
Materia-Blade said:

"Nintendo didn't really do anything significant"

Yeah, they just saved the industry with an amazing console and also created some of the biggest franchises in gaming, with characters recognized worldwide. and they keep making those great games while trying new franchises.

Like I said, Sega would have been given that credit if Nintendo didn't enter the console market.  They were just lucky and actually did nothing really important.  Just as some are trying to argue against Sony here, right? 

Do you have a crystal ball? Because you can't say what sega or any other would have done. The comparison with sony doesn't hold any ground, since sony didn't do/save anything.

Sony indeed did not save anything,  but they did a remarkable job by brought games to mainstream consumer globally with more of world wide  influnce, that's is a feat will not be achieved by any company at that time, not even Sega, hell it would have been difficult even for Nintendo at that time.



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generic-user-1 on 20 April 2015
LivingMetal said:
generic-user-1 said:
LivingMetal said:
For those of you who say "Someone else would have filled the void" or "Sony got lucky." I don't know about that. You the need to consider the fact that Sony wanted nothing to do with making console hardware after talks between them and Nintendo fell through with the proposed Nintendo CD add-on. It was Katuragi that convinced the hot shots at Sony to push on with the Playstation project. Because think about it. If Sony didn't originally wanted to do it, who else would have? I have not heard of any other major hardware manufacturer who went as far as Sony eventually did to capitalize on the console market. Also if it were so obvious that it was luck that pushed the PlayStation success, then most other major hardware manufacturer could have easily trounced Sony and its first entry in to the console market. But there were no other takers. Other than Nintendo and Sega, no one else challenged Sony if it were so obvious that they didn't have a pray of doing it on their own.


did you look at the competition? atari was a dead man walking and never figured out how to copy the nes gamepad, Apples hardware was bad and they had no games, Nuon and 3DO flopped because nobody realy cared for them or pushed games.

its not like others dont tryed, but they all failed horrible because they mae realy stupid mistakes..

And you call that luck??? Therefore if Sony could have done it, anyone could have.  But clearly, this wasn't the case. Go figure. 

sony had some IPs a lot of money and the will to push other media with a gaming console, they had a better start than the most and they didnt made any stupid mistakes or risked anything, they made a realy big PR campaign, got all 3rd partys on bord and played the rest save.

they didnt made better games or had the better tech, they won because they went for the casuals with a lot of marketing.

and they done so 3 out of 4 times and won every time they did it.



zorg1000 on 20 April 2015
HollyGamer said:
Materia-Blade said:
thismeintiel said:
Materia-Blade said:

"Nintendo didn't really do anything significant"

Yeah, they just saved the industry with an amazing console and also created some of the biggest franchises in gaming, with characters recognized worldwide. and they keep making those great games while trying new franchises.

Like I said, Sega would have been given that credit if Nintendo didn't enter the console market.  They were just lucky and actually did nothing really important.  Just as some are trying to argue against Sony here, right? 

Do you have a crystal ball? Because you can't say what sega or any other would have done. The comparison with sony doesn't hold any ground, since sony didn't do/save anything.

Sony indeed did not save anything,  but they did a remarkable job by brought games to mainstream consumer globally with more of world wide  influnce, that's is a feat will not be achieved by any company at that time, not even Sega, hell it would have been difficult even for Nintendo at that time.

Yes, Sony did an excellent job at making consoles mainstream in Europe and developing countries. The thing that I find a bit annoying is when people act like they made gaming mainstream in America or Japan, because console gaming was already big and growing in those regions.



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LivingMetal on 20 April 2015
generic-user-1 said:
LivingMetal said:
generic-user-1 said:
LivingMetal said:
For those of you who say "Someone else would have filled the void" or "Sony got lucky." I don't know about that. You the need to consider the fact that Sony wanted nothing to do with making console hardware after talks between them and Nintendo fell through with the proposed Nintendo CD add-on. It was Katuragi that convinced the hot shots at Sony to push on with the Playstation project. Because think about it. If Sony didn't originally wanted to do it, who else would have? I have not heard of any other major hardware manufacturer who went as far as Sony eventually did to capitalize on the console market. Also if it were so obvious that it was luck that pushed the PlayStation success, then most other major hardware manufacturer could have easily trounced Sony and its first entry in to the console market. But there were no other takers. Other than Nintendo and Sega, no one else challenged Sony if it were so obvious that they didn't have a pray of doing it on their own.


did you look at the competition? atari was a dead man walking and never figured out how to copy the nes gamepad, Apples hardware was bad and they had no games, Nuon and 3DO flopped because nobody realy cared for them or pushed games.

its not like others dont tryed, but they all failed horrible because they mae realy stupid mistakes..

And you call that luck??? Therefore if Sony could have done it, anyone could have.  But clearly, this wasn't the case. Go figure. 

sony had some IPs a lot of money and the will to push other media with a gaming console, they had a better start than the most and they didnt made any stupid mistakes or risked anything, they made a realy big PR campaign, got all 3rd partys on bord and played the rest save.

they didnt made better games or had the better tech, they won because they went for the casuals with a lot of marketing.

and they done so 3 out of 4 times and won every time they did it.

If this were the case, it sounds nothing like luck.



zorg1000 on 20 April 2015
LivingMetal said:

If this were the case, it sounds nothing like luck.


Ya I wouldn't call it luck, but alot of Playstation's success in America/Japan was due to mistakes made by Sega/Nintendo. Alot of it came down to being the right console at the right time.

Sega was making expensive add-ons for Genesis that went unsupported which angered fans, Saturn was a hard to develop for and expensive console which angered developers and fans, they also did the surprise launch that angered developers who were planning games for launch and it angered some retailers who were left out of the surprise launch. Basically they shot themselves in the foot.

Nintendo went with cartridges instead of CDs which caused developers like Konami, Square, Enix, Capcom, Namco to give very little support. Basically they shot themselves in the foot.

These mistakes by Sega/Nintendo paved the way for Playstation to make it big. Had Sega and Nintendo not made these decisions than its unlikely Playstation would have been nearly as big as it became.



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Aeolus451 on 20 April 2015
RolStoppable said:
Aeolus451 said:

So you're telling me what I'm thinking now? Please, stop with rhetoric about nintendo not being intended for kids. It's like trying to say power rangers was for adults. Yeah, some adults watched it but that doesn't change what demographic it was intended or marketed towards. Yes, anyone can play 'em. It's marketed to this day as 'The console the whole family could enjoy." 

 Nintendo brought many rpgs into being and plenty of other series. I never downplayed that nor will I ever. Some people are acting like if sony never went into the gaming market, all of those third party games that started or were popularized on a playstation console would of just ended up on any of the consoles. Playstation and Nintendo cater to completely different demographics/fan bases. Some publishers might not of took a big risk with a new IP on a console where that genre doesn't fair well. Do Call of duty games do well on nintendo's consoles compared to how well those games do on other consoles? Hell no and the publishers/Devs know that as well.

How well would of titanfall done on the wii u if it released on it instead of the xbox consoles? Would it been able to beat just the xbox one's sales of titanfall? No. 

Am I lying or skewing facts when I say mature games generally don't do well on nintendo consoles? 

Oh please, Power Rangers is mindboggingly stupid, although it highlights how low of an opinion you have of Nintendo. A more appropriate comparison would be Pixar movies which feature themes and humor that adults can appreciate. Nevermind that Nintendo has always had IPs that don't do much or anything for kids, so it's not like everything Nintendo does falls in the same category.

Goldeneye 007 sold 8m copies on the Nintendo 64, so in a hypothetical scenario where Sony didn't enter the market (and subsequently Microsoft wouldn't enter either), FPS games and other "mature" titles would have continued to thrive on Nintendo consoles. PlayStation and Nintendo don't cater to completely different demographics, that should be clear when you look at how Monster Hunter disarmed Sony's handheld business. It's essentially like PS didn't exist, the third party game (Monster Hunter) ended up on another platform (Nintendo's) and gamers followed.

I'm not even gonna dare say anything about handhelds. I purposely kept my head in the sand with that kind of platform. That's completely nintendo's domain and I have no interest in it. Actually, I don't have that low of a opinion of nintendo. If you would of started a thread like this for nintendo, I would of been pitching a similar arguement for nintendo but I'm sure I would debated with a lot less. 



Aeolus451 on 20 April 2015
RolStoppable said:
Aeolus451 said:

I'm not even gonna dare say anything about handhelds. I purposely kept my head in the sand with that kind of platform. That's completely nintendo's domain and I have no interest in it. Actually, I don't have that low of a opinion of nintendo. If you would of started a thread like this for nintendo, I would of been pitching a similar arguement for nintendo but I'm sure I would debated with a lot less. 

That's too bad then, because this topic includes handhelds.


Really? I didn't see anything in the op about handhelds. Someone else must of brought handhelds topic into the thread. I wonder who....



HollyGamer on 20 April 2015
zorg1000 said:

Yes, Sony did an excellent job at making consoles mainstream in Europe and developing countries. The thing that I find a bit annoying is when people act like they made gaming mainstream in America or Japan, because console gaming was already big and growing in those regions.

Yeah agree with u, US and Japan is the exception because those country at that time is the most advance country interms of economy and the people have buying power more then other country. But  mainstream mean also  more diverse and variaty of consumer, more casual , and more popular and that's include US and Japan, with PS1 people buy console not just for playing games, people buy for style, part of trend and also PS1 is a symbol of entertainment, unlike SNES at that time, people think SNES is just a video games while PS1 is more of electronic entertainment device.



zorg1000 on 20 April 2015
HollyGamer said:
zorg1000 said:
 

Yes, Sony did an excellent job at making consoles mainstream in Europe and developing countries. The thing that I find a bit annoying is when people act like they made gaming mainstream in America or Japan, because console gaming was already big and growing in those regions.

Yeah agree with u, US and Japan is the exception because those country at that time is the most advance country interms of economy and the people have buying power more then other country. But  mainstream mean also  more diverse and variaty of consumer, more casual , and more popular and that's include US and Japan, with PS1 people buy console not just for playing games, people buy for style, part of trend and also PS1 is a symbol of entertainment, unlike SNES at that time, people think SNES is just a video games while PS1 is more of electronic entertainment device.

I don't really buy it that Playstation made gaming more diverse, gaming was growing in America before Playstation released.

Atari 2600 did about 23 million in America

NES did about 33 million in America

SNES+Genesis did about 45 million in America

PS1+N64 did about 60 million in America

PS2+XB+GC did about 80 million in America

The console market would likely have continued to increase in America with or without Playstation, people credit Playstation for bringing gaming to adults but I don't believe it, kids who played games in previous generations were now becoming teens or adults so it's just natural that they would want more adult themed games.



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HollyGamer on 20 April 2015
zorg1000 said:
HollyGamer said:
zorg1000 said:
 

Yes, Sony did an excellent job at making consoles mainstream in Europe and developing countries. The thing that I find a bit annoying is when people act like they made gaming mainstream in America or Japan, because console gaming was already big and growing in those regions.

Yeah agree with u, US and Japan is the exception because those country at that time is the most advance country interms of economy and the people have buying power more then other country. But  mainstream mean also  more diverse and variaty of consumer, more casual , and more popular and that's include US and Japan, with PS1 people buy console not just for playing games, people buy for style, part of trend and also PS1 is a symbol of entertainment, unlike SNES at that time, people think SNES is just a video games while PS1 is more of electronic entertainment device.

I don't really buy it that Playstation made gaming more diverse, gaming was growing in America before Playstation released.

Atari 2600 did about 23 million in America

NES did about 33 million in America

SNES+Genesis did about 45 million in America

PS1+N64 did about 60 million in America

PS2+XB+GC did about 80 million in America

The console market would likely have continued to increase in America with or without Playstation, people credit Playstation for bringing gaming to adults but I don't believe it, kids who played games in previous generations were now becoming teens or adults so it's just natural that they would want more adult themed games.

Let simply say and agree that gaming would have continue even without PS, but will not be as mainstream like today,and high probability might have anothe crisis  because it would have only  supported by Japan and US. the same happen with ATARI because no compatition, no global appeal.