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Xenoblade Chronicles X on PC

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bigtakilla said:
HollyGamer said:
bigtakilla said:

But that's not always the case. Someone could go through life believing the original Super Mario Bros is the greatest game of all time. He wouldn't be wrong, as the greatest game of all time is opinion, even when speaking in terms of quality.

But then again if people still hanging in that the past, you and i wouldn't have a discussion at the present, discussing about how great XCX is because Monolith is still making 2d world map games like Xenogeras even in Wii U. XCX is the prove

But is it not Monolith Softs duty as a developer to surpass Xenogears, therefore 3D maps? 

Is it wrong for Monolith Soft to look back at what is considered their "Greatest Game" to get inspiration for XCX?

Has Square lost the vision of Final Fantasy simply because they are SO worried about the past and being different than it to make a 3D game like FFVII?

If not then why not make a FFVII remake and not come out and confirm we will NOT be getting a FF VII remake until a game surpasses it?

I think these things SUPPORT what I am saying.

oh my God we are getting far from the topic, OK to summed up,

1. XCX is great game no doubt for now

2. is it possible some studios will create and surpassed XCX, my answer yes it will,the same goes and happened with all games that had marked in history.

3.Can another studios copying XCX, my answer is not fully copying but maybe adopting some element

4. Can XCX coming to another platform , my answer impossible unless Nintendo becoming a third party developer.

That's my opinion on this thread so i don't know how this thing become such a long debate, my whole intention is to let the OP knows that XCX will not come to PC and and he have to buy Wii U, and also answering that there will be more great game in the future that we my not know, and also not having XCX is not the end everything. It's just OP will not experience XCX as one of the great game this year or maybe this generation. but is not the end for everything.



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bigtakilla said:

But is it not Monolith Softs duty as a developer to surpass Xenogears, therefore 3D maps? 

Is it wrong for Monolith Soft to look back at what is considered their "Greatest Game" to get inspiration for XCX?

Has Square lost the vision of Final Fantasy simply because they are SO worried about the past and being different than it to make a 3D game like FFVII?

If not then why not make a FFVII remake and not come out and confirm we will NOT be getting a FF VII remake until a game surpasses it?

I think these things SUPPORT what I am saying.

out of topic but i will try to answer all.

"But is it not Monolith Softs duty as a developer to surpass Xenogears, therefore 3D maps?" Is not there only duty is a natural thing for every studio and developer to make better game then the previous one,and many game has surpassed Xenogears and many games that surpassed by Xenogears had been surpassed by XCX (in my opinion) and XCX will be surpassed by many as well in the future.

"Is it wrong for Monolith Soft to look back at what is considered their "Greatest Game" to get inspiration for XCX" Who said it's wrong , i am saying every studio will , intentionally and unintentionally adopt some aspect, which is great and some minor problem will be fix, to make " new Greatest game  in the future " because XCX is the greatest game for present not for the future, and it will be mark by histories but other will emerge in the future.

"Has Square lost the vision of Final Fantasy simply because they are SO worried about the past and being different than it to make a 3D game like FFVII?" My answer is yes they had been lost their vision and their games quality in past fiew years, but they fixing it  that now, and change their strategy by changing ATB style for battle with real time.

"If not then why not make a FFVII remake and not come out and confirm we will NOT be getting a FF VII remake until a game surpasses it?" My answer and i think other  people will answer the same that is clear that they still moving forward and keep changing, the reason they telling us that they will make FF VII until a game surpasses it" it's just a sweat talks  to entertain the nostalgic fans. It will not be the same game like it was when FF VII came out if they make the remake. because a lot of games have surpassed FF VII in terms of quality etc. maybe not from FF series but from another studio and company like XCX maybe.

 

 



HollyGamer said:

So how can Monolith can create a great game like XCX then??? Monolith must have been invented RPG or video games or suddenly shows up without the inspiration past game or game that already marked the history in the past.

I am not saying imitating literally full imitating , i mean every aspect will be improve and added for future games the same goes with XCX, that adopted many aspect from every game that had been released before.

So there is no more argument, i believe i agree with u all the games you mention is a " great game " but there will be another great game coming in the future including this type of games (open world rpg). Is not like the world is stop spinning. LOl


You're not being very coherrant as we're not talking about inventing anything we're talking about imitating, gaming progresses yes but it progresses on the designs of great games like XC, as a result future games are merely treading the same ground that the game has already left it's mark on which is why any game trying to imitate GTA was never as good as they're following a lead. Monolith had a concept in mind with XC and they used a number of aspects to execute this concept and created something new for a genre that was in a dire position.

Taking aspects from other games is not imitating heck DMC3 took aspects from fighting games to execute it's concept and Wolfenstein 3d was inspired by SMB when the was no FPS around at the time and great games in future don't offset great games in the past, GTA for example is inspired by Zelda it didn't stop OOT still being regarded as one of the greatest games ever made even today despite GTA3 being a great game as well, that's a flawed way of thinking.



HollyGamer said:
sc94597 said:
Hynad said:

You obviously don't play many JRPGs.

I am well aquainted with the Final Fantasy series, Megami Tensei series, Dragon Quest series, Pokemon series, Tales of series, and plenty of individual JRPG releases (Chrono, Terranigma, Secret of Mana, Rogue Galaxy, The World Ends With You, Lost Odyssey, etc, etc.) I also played Xenogears and Xenosaga I-III before playing Xenoblade. The closest JRPG to Xenoblade is FFXII, but the differences are still way too vast, and while FFXII's reception was poor Xenoblade's was a success. Xenoblade X seems to incorporate even more innovations to the genre. XBC also so happens to be the best acclaimed JRPG in the seventh generation, a generation which represented the decline of the JRPG. What am I missing? 

u miss the fact that nobody has play the game yet, yet you claim this is the best RPG ever made, like the second coming of Jesus bravo, bravo.

Every generation has their own advantage and best game in history for people who enjoy at that time,  people who live now will gladly except this game is the best but not in the future, everything is moving, the future is unpredictible, one prove is if i speak with u in the past u may have an opinion that past JRPG is the best, but who knew that Monolith can come with this good game design.

maybe Square Enix maybe, Bamco, maybe Atlus in the future. So there is "NO GREATEST GAME EVER IN HISTORY" it's all depend on present.

Where did I claim that? The only claim I made was that Xenoblade Chronicles (the original game, which had been released) was the most acclaimed JRPG in the 7th generation and XBCX looks to be making even more strides. 



Hynad said:
sc94597 said:

I am well aquainted with the Final Fantasy series, Megami Tensei series, Dragon Quest series, Pokemon series, Tales of series, and plenty of individual JRPG releases (Chrono, Terranigma, Secret of Mana, Rogue Galaxy, The World Ends With You, Lost Odyssey, etc, etc.) I also played Xenogears and Xenosaga I-III before playing Xenoblade. The closest JRPG to Xenoblade is FFXII, but the differences are still way too vast, and while FFXII's reception was poor Xenoblade's was a success. Xenoblade X seems to incorporate even more innovations to the genre. XBC also so happens to be the best acclaimed JRPG in the seventh generation, a generation which represented the decline of the JRPG. What am I missing? 

1. Yeah, you have experienced the entire universe. *rolleyes*

2. Xenoblade did a lot of things right. And some not so right. The blend of all the aspects made for a great JRPG. How did it reinvent anything though...

It took a lot of cues and aspects from other games in the genre, and blended them together. FF XII, Tales, DQ... But it certainly didn't reinvent a genre at all.

 

3. Finally, as far as I'm concerned, Lost Odyssey is a much better JRPG. Heck, The Last Story "reinvented" the genre a whole lot more than Xenoblade.

1. It is one of my favorite genres, and I have been familiar with it since I was four. Of course I will have played a lot of games in many different series. 

2. What exactly were some things Xenoblade didn't do right? Xenoblade reinvented what we think when we think of JRPG's. No longer do we think linear corriders, or limiting world maps as the only route JRPG's can take. In Xenoblade you actually could experience a breat-taking and fresh, semi-open world, which was something missing in every other 7th Generation Japanese Role Playing Game. Xenoblade Chronicles X goes further, and adds an extra layer of non-linearity to the genre in the form of its story and character specialization. You'll be able to choose unions which drastically determine how you play the game for certain segments. There is also an addition scale of verticality, and it is the first real-time RPG which properly incorporates mechs. All of these things are not things characteristic of the JRPG genre. Certain CRPG/WRPG's have had them for a while now, but not JRPG's. So yes, Xenoblade has reinvented how we think of JRPGs, and other series, like FInal Fantasy, have taken the hint. 

3. I liked Lost Odyssey very much. It had an excellent story and solid traditional JRPG gameplay. In fact, it is one of the games that makes me wish I had brought my 360 with me when I left for school. I still was much more impressed by Xenoblade though. As for The Last Story, it seemed to me to be a typical ARPG with stealth mechanics. Again, a good game, but definitely nothing more unique to the JRPG genre than Xenoblade. 



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I agree. It needs to be on PS3, 360, Wii, 3DS, XB1 and Vita.

:)



sc94597 said:

1. It is one of my favorite genres, and I have been familiar with it since I was four. Of course I will have played a lot of games in many different series. 

2. What exactly were some things Xenoblade didn't do right? Xenoblade reinvented what we think when we think of JRPG's. No longer do we think linear corriders, or limiting world maps as the only route JRPG's can take. In Xenoblade you actually could experience a breat-taking and fresh, semi-open world, which was something missing in every other 7th Generation Japanese Role Playing Game. Xenoblade Chronicles X goes further, and adds an extra layer of non-linearity to the genre in the form of its story and character specialization. You'll be able to choose unions which drastically determine how you play the game for certain segments. There is also an addition scale of verticality, and it is the first real-time RPG which properly incorporates mechs. All of these things are not things characteristic of the JRPG genre. Certain CRPG/WRPG's have had them for a while now, but not JRPG's. So yes, Xenoblade has reinvented how we think of JRPGs, and other series, like FInal Fantasy, have taken the hint. 

3. I liked Lost Odyssey very much. It had an excellent story and solid traditional JRPG gameplay. In fact, it is one of the games that makes me wish I had brought my 360 with me when I left for school. I still was much more impressed by Xenoblade though. As for The Last Story, it seemed to me to be a typical ARPG with stealth mechanics. Again, a good game, but definitely nothing more unique to the JRPG genre than Xenoblade. 

I disagree with a lot of things you said, and initially thought of adressing them. But, I've re-read your comments and the way you've worded them and I concluded that it's better for me to leave it at that and preserve my energy. No offense but. there's no sense wasting it on someone who has proven time and again to be extremely partial.



Hynad said:
sc94597 said:

1. It is one of my favorite genres, and I have been familiar with it since I was four. Of course I will have played a lot of games in many different series. 

2. What exactly were some things Xenoblade didn't do right? Xenoblade reinvented what we think when we think of JRPG's. No longer do we think linear corriders, or limiting world maps as the only route JRPG's can take. In Xenoblade you actually could experience a breat-taking and fresh, semi-open world, which was something missing in every other 7th Generation Japanese Role Playing Game. Xenoblade Chronicles X goes further, and adds an extra layer of non-linearity to the genre in the form of its story and character specialization. You'll be able to choose unions which drastically determine how you play the game for certain segments. There is also an addition scale of verticality, and it is the first real-time RPG which properly incorporates mechs. All of these things are not things characteristic of the JRPG genre. Certain CRPG/WRPG's have had them for a while now, but not JRPG's. So yes, Xenoblade has reinvented how we think of JRPGs, and other series, like FInal Fantasy, have taken the hint. 

3. I liked Lost Odyssey very much. It had an excellent story and solid traditional JRPG gameplay. In fact, it is one of the games that makes me wish I had brought my 360 with me when I left for school. I still was much more impressed by Xenoblade though. As for The Last Story, it seemed to me to be a typical ARPG with stealth mechanics. Again, a good game, but definitely nothing more unique to the JRPG genre than Xenoblade. 

I disagree with a lot of things you said, and initially thought of adressing them. But I was raised not to hit people wearing thick glasses.

Honestly, a mix of what I wrote was opinion and assertions. You can ignore the opinions quite fine, as they are just that, but what about the assertions? Do you know of a 7th generation JRPG which properly incorporated the element of exploration with either a semi or fully open-world? Was it not a standard belief that JRPG's are inherently (to the core of their genre) linear with respect to WRPG's? The bolded seems to me that you have nothing to say nor contribute, but you want to leave with an unsubstantiated characterization of a person with an opposing view (see: Ad Hominem) in order to look like you do have something to contribute, but you are too good to provide it. For that matter, which person is better characterized by hautiness and "thick glasses"? 

Remember, you were the one who posted things like this, "You obviously don't play many JRPGs." I persistently remained polite despite that. 



Wyrdness said:
HollyGamer said:

So how can Monolith can create a great game like XCX then??? Monolith must have been invented RPG or video games or suddenly shows up without the inspiration past game or game that already marked the history in the past.

I am not saying imitating literally full imitating , i mean every aspect will be improve and added for future games the same goes with XCX, that adopted many aspect from every game that had been released before.

So there is no more argument, i believe i agree with u all the games you mention is a " great game " but there will be another great game coming in the future including this type of games (open world rpg). Is not like the world is stop spinning. LOl


You're not being very coherrant as we're not talking about inventing anything we're talking about imitating, gaming progresses yes but it progresses on the designs of great games like XC, as a result future games are merely treading the same ground that the game has already left it's mark on which is why any game trying to imitate GTA was never as good as they're following a lead. Monolith had a concept in mind with XC and they used a number of aspects to execute this concept and created something new for a genre that was in a dire position.

Taking aspects from other games is not imitating heck DMC3 took aspects from fighting games to execute it's concept and Wolfenstein 3d was inspired by SMB when the was no FPS around at the time and great games in future don't offset great games in the past, GTA for example is inspired by Zelda it didn't stop OOT still being regarded as one of the greatest games ever made even today despite GTA3 being a great game as well, that's a flawed way of thinking.

then why are we debating if you agree with me , let just say i am bad with wording so my rply could be very far from the actual meaning, what i am saying imitating it's actually adopting, like Uncharted from Gears of War side of view perspective or TLOU from Resident Evil idea, i mean i am agree with u it's just a matter of language barier because i am not good with English so pardon me.



sc94597 said:
Hynad said:

I disagree with a lot of things you said, and initially thought of adressing them. But I was raised not to hit people wearing thick glasses.

Honestly, a mix of what I wrote was opinion and assertions. You can ignore the opinions quite fine, as they are just that, but what about the assertions? Do you know of a 7th generation JRPG which properly incorporated the element of exploration with either a semi or fully open-world? Was it not a standard belief that JRPG's are inherently (to the core of their genre) linear with respect to WRPG's? The bolded seems to me that you have nothing to say nor contribute, but you want to leave with an unsubstantiated characterization of a person with an opposing view (see: Ad Hominem) in order to look like you do have something to contribute, but you are too good to provide it. For that matter, which person is better characterized by hautiness and "thick glasses"? 

Remember, you were the one who posted things like this, "You obviously don't play many JRPGs." I persistently remained polite despite that. 


Ni No Kuni, White Knight Chronicles, Tales of Vesperia/Xillia, Star Ocean 4, and the list goes on.

You choose to take one aspect that Xenoblade did well, and forget to see what other games also did. Even if on a smaller scale, or in a different manner. Xenoblade appears to be open world, but its world is empty and serves mostly as a tranversal method, just like any other RPG, even if it doesn't load as often as them.