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Is Nintendo betraying it's fanbase again?

Yes. 55 31.25%
 
No. 108 61.36%
 
Nintendo can do no. wrong. 13 7.39%
 
Total:176
Tachikoma said:
gamemaster4747 said:

No friend, you have me wrong. I only hate on Xbox, not Nintendo. The only pot I want to stir is one that will make Nintendo make things right again. They need to directly compete with Sony and MS with the most powerful console in history and with strong 3rd party support, not come out with another weak system with gimmicks and cell phone games. That worked well for NES & SNES.

A forum post on VGC worded the way you have done so will not in a million years change that, and is geared directly towards stiring the pot with end users, hence a poll.

All Nintendo needs to do is release games.


That is part of the problem. They are not going to support Wii U much longer. Generally, no company does when they announce a new system. The Wii U faithful deserve more than they are getting.

I believe they should vigorously seek 3rd party support and not work on NX seriously until they have done right by Wii U owners. It's still a young system!



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Soundwave said:
Tachikoma said:

A forum post on VGC worded the way you have done so will not in a million years change that, and is geared directly towards stiring the pot with end users, hence a poll.

All Nintendo needs to do is release games.

Nintendo simply isn't capable of releasing 8-9 high end games + 5-6 more "filler" games between the Wii U and 3DS every year. 

Not on post-XBox 360 hardware. No way. 

No publisher is capable of that. But that's kinda the position Nintendo has forced themselves into and now that they can't deliver it, the fanbase is getting upset because there isn't much of anything else to play. 


Correct Soundwave.



Cloudman said:
Woah woah, guy, I think you`re jumping the gun there. They announced the NX simply to put to rest any doubt that they will leave the industry and become mobile focus (which has backfired apparent from a few days on the site), and Zelda U has been delayed to give more development time to it to make it a better game. Whether it will be cross gen or even next gen, it may be possible, but I doubt that myself. Other games have been delayed to do the same thing, and I don`t see why Zelda can`t be the same without being accused of being a next gen game. And games are still coming from Nintendo. They`re not killing it off, unless they say so. And they`re not going to switch their handheld games to smartphones. They`re treating that differently from the portable games. I think you need to check a bit more on the info that`s come out regarding these topics.

I hope you are right, but others seem to think otherwise. We will see.



gamemaster4747 said:
Tachikoma said:

A forum post on VGC worded the way you have done so will not in a million years change that, and is geared directly towards stiring the pot with end users, hence a poll.

All Nintendo needs to do is release games.


That is part of the problem. They are not going to support Wii U much longer. Generally, no company does when they announce a new system. The Wii U faithful deserve more than they are getting.

I believe they should vigorously seek 3rd party support and not work on NX seriously until they have done right by Wii U owners. It's still a young system!


3rd parties are not going to support the Wii U. Wii U isn't really even that young. It's been on the market past 3 holiday seasons, in console terms that's a console in its 40s-50s.  



gamemaster4747 said:
Cloudman said:
Woah woah, guy, I think you`re jumping the gun there. They announced the NX simply to put to rest any doubt that they will leave the industry and become mobile focus (which has backfired apparent from a few days on the site), and Zelda U has been delayed to give more development time to it to make it a better game. Whether it will be cross gen or even next gen, it may be possible, but I doubt that myself. Other games have been delayed to do the same thing, and I don`t see why Zelda can`t be the same without being accused of being a next gen game. And games are still coming from Nintendo. They`re not killing it off, unless they say so. And they`re not going to switch their handheld games to smartphones. They`re treating that differently from the portable games. I think you need to check a bit more on the info that`s come out regarding these topics.

I hope you are right, but others seem to think otherwise. We will see.

Yeah, it`s been like this since Eiji dropped the delay bomb. Now everyone loses their heads to this news. And for the record, I liked the Wii myself ; )



 

              

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... this is becoming difficult. The main problem is everyone loves to jump the gun and is so impatient.

You have nothing to worry about. The NX was revealed in codename only to say that Nintendo isnt forsaking consoles when they made their mobile games announcement. The fact that they have a prototype under development is in no way shocking. Sony is already working on a prototype of the PS5 aswell, i can assure you. Thats how R&D goes.

This new system has zero chance of coming out next year and Zelda U wont move away from the Wii U. So, if you aren't a hater, as you have said, just remain calm and think logically. A new Nintendo console needs R&D, needs marketing, needs software development for a launch line-up. It just cant happen within a year. It hasnt even been revealed yet and it likely wont until 2016 E3 at the earliest, and it wont release before christmas 2017 or 2018 if we are going by how long it took them to bring the Wii U out after the unveil.
So, you got nothing to worry about. Carry on. Theres still lots of games coming to Wii U before the new system comes out and theres zero chance Zelda U is going anywhere. Shocking as it may be, its actually a legitimate delay to make the game better.

 

Also, Nintendo isnt SEGA. They wont just throw more consoles at the problem if the previous ones didnt work out. They are smarter than that.



Skullwaker said:
Is this the 26th thread now?

Keep 'em coming.


This post, combined with that avatar ... Man. Hahaha!



gamemaster4747 said:
Tachikoma said:

A forum post on VGC worded the way you have done so will not in a million years change that, and is geared directly towards stiring the pot with end users, hence a poll.

All Nintendo needs to do is release games.


That is part of the problem. They are not going to support Wii U much longer. Generally, no company does when they announce a new system. The Wii U faithful deserve more than they are getting.

I believe they should vigorously seek 3rd party support and not work on NX seriously until they have done right by Wii U owners. It's still a young system!

*deep breath*

Pay close attention to my avatar, it states SCEJ developer, which is what I am, I have however worked for many other studios in the past, why is this relevant? well let me tell you.

When the WiiU released, it received fairly frequent third party multiplatform releases, the problem with this is that these third party titles baring one or two, were inferior to the PS3 and 360 versions, despite the WiiU being more capable hardware barely any developers actually put in the time and investment to fully utilize that hardware, as such they released mediocre software on the WiiU, Nintendo gamers are generally a very picky bunch when it comes to non-nintendo titles so what happens is, you have a group of picky gamers being spoon fed shitty ports, the result is the picky gamers say no, i wont buy this crap.

Third parties continue to port last gen versions to WiiU and the relationship between Nintendo gamers and the individual studios breaks down, why would a Nintendo gamer be excited for a third party game from a studio that released a steaming pile of shit the past few times?

Last gen versions become scarce and you have two extremely similar platforms, the PS4 and XBO, both selling better than the WiiU, both with comparable performance, the cost to port between them at an all time low, then we have the black sheep in the field, the WiiU, it's players already sting by the shitty treatment from third parties shovveling shit under their noses to turn a quick buck, and the third parties themselves unhappy that the steaming piles of shit they shoveled didnt magically sell well, a vicious cycle caused in a minor point by the pickyness of Nintendo gamers, and as a majority point by the low effort and investment by third parties, who for want of a better analogy, thought they could shovel up the scrapings left from ps3/360 last gen ports and pass them off as new games, shit doesnt work that way.

If you dont put in the effort, if you dont make as best use of the hardware that you can, or at least TRY to, then you don't deserve the sales, so when you do that and the resulting game sells like crap, it's nobody elses fault but your own.

People like to pin the third party situation on Nintendo, but the reality is simply that third parties tried to offload last gen ports, terrible ones at that, as shiny new wiiu games, Nintendo gamers didn't fall for it, and third parties turned around with the attitude of, "well since our shitty games didnt sell, theres no point porting our current gen games in future".

What theyre REALLY doing though, is using it as an excuse to not have to invest in supporting a third platform directly, and in the rare occasion they do offload the port to another company, said port releases 6 months after the games old news, and the company that ported it generally does a shit job too.

So at first you get sort of syncronized releases, but shitty ports, why would they buy these?
Then you get late ports of releases, ported by third parties and even worse quality wise, theres even LESS reason to buy.

Nintendo may indeed have their problems with the shift to HD and the costs and timeframes associated with that, but the third party situation is down almost entirely to third parties themselves shoveling shit sprinkled with rosemary, at the end of the day it's still a plate of shit.

So why does my job/experience make a difference here?, because I've been with Sony, i've been with Nintendo, and i've been with third parties, I've seen the shitty practices in all situations, and because of that, I know full well just how shitly third party treated Nintendo gamers for the first 16 months of the WiiU's life - theyre hanging that public response around their neck like it's the end users fault, it isn't, it's the lazyness and greed of the third parties.



Tachikoma said:
gamemaster4747 said:


That is part of the problem. They are not going to support Wii U much longer. Generally, no company does when they announce a new system. The Wii U faithful deserve more than they are getting.

I believe they should vigorously seek 3rd party support and not work on NX seriously until they have done right by Wii U owners. It's still a young system!

*deep breath*

Pay close attention to my avatar, it states SCEJ developer, which is what I am, I have however worked for many other studios in the past, why is this relevant? well let me tell you.

When the WiiU released, it received fairly frequent third party multiplatform releases, the problem with this is that these third party titles baring one or two, were inferior to the PS3 and 360 versions, despite the WiiU being more capable hardware barely any developers actually put in the time and investment to fully utilize that hardware, as such they released mediocre software on the WiiU, Nintendo gamers are generally a very picky bunch when it comes to non-nintendo titles so what happens is, you have a group of picky gamers being spoon fed shitty ports, the result is the picky gamers say no, i wont buy this crap.

Third parties continue to port last gen versions to WiiU and the relationship between Nintendo gamers and the individual studios breaks down, why would a Nintendo gamer be excited for a third party game from a studio that released a steaming pile of shit the past few times?

Last gen versions become scarce and you have two extremely similar platforms, the PS4 and XBO, both selling better than the WiiU, both with comparable performance, the cost to port between them at an all time low, then we have the black sheep in the field, the WiiU, it's players already sting by the shitty treatment from third parties shovveling shit under their noses to turn a quick buck, and the third parties themselves unhappy that the steaming piles of shit they shoveled didnt magically sell well, a vicious cycle caused in a minor point by the pickyness of Nintendo gamers, and as a majority point by the low effort and investment by third parties, who for want of a better analogy, thought they could shovel up the scrapings left from ps3/360 last gen ports and pass them off as new games, shit doesnt work that way.

If you dont put in the effort, if you dont make as best use of the hardware that you can, or at least TRY to, then you don't deserve the sales, so when you do that and the resulting game sells like crap, it's nobody elses fault but your own.

People like to pin the third party situation on Nintendo, but the reality is simply that third parties tried to offload last gen ports, terrible ones at that, as shiny new wiiu games, Nintendo gamers didn't fall for it, and third parties turned around with the attitude of, "well since our shitty games didnt sell, theres no point porting our current gen games in future".

What theyre REALLY doing though, is using it as an excuse to not have to invest in supporting a third platform directly, and in the rare occasion they do offload the port to another company, said port releases 6 months after the games old news, and the company that ported it generally does a shit job too.

So at first you get sort of syncronized releases, but shitty ports, why would they buy these?
Then you get late ports of releases, ported by third parties and even worse quality wise, theres even LESS reason to buy.

Nintendo may indeed have their problems with the shift to HD and the costs and timeframes associated with that, but the third party situation is down almost entirely to third parties themselves shoveling shit sprinkled with rosemary, at the end of the day it's still a plate of shit.


Wii U owners didn't support good 3rd party games like Rayman and Zombi U either though. And really things like Assassin's Creed IV, Call of Duty: BLOPS 2, Batman: Arkham City aren't terrible ports on the Wii U. They're not *perfect* but they're still very playable ports, solid looking games, of extremely popular IP. BLOPS 2 is better than any Wii FPS from a third party, Batman and ACIV are far better than most of the Wii third party garbage. 

Hell they really don't even support Nintendo's own high quality games that are outside of the mascot/Zelda box. Bayonetta 2? Not great sales. Wonderful 101? Bomba. Even DKC: Tropical Freeze did not sell great. 

The fact is it's largely a fanbase made up of people who just want the main games with Mario and Zelda. 

XBox One players get inferior multiplats all the time yet third party still sells like crazy on the XBox. 



gamemaster4747 said:

This is taken from the news I have read over the last day. Please do correct me if I have read false information.

Alright. You have read false information.

You said: "The core gamers are down to about ten million."

The truth: 3DS has sold around 50 million consoles and, by VGChartz count, has three games with over 10 million sales. It is a popular and beloved system among Nintendo's so-called "core gamers." Just last month, Majora's Mask had the strongest opening of any portable Zelda game ever and Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate had the strongest North American opening in the history of the series.

You said: The Wii "left faithful core gamers as somewhat of an afterthought."

The truth: curl-6 summed it up nicely. The Wii is a fantastic console for all gamers. This has nothing to do with recent news though, and if anything is evidence that you aren't on the same wavelength as Nintendo's "faithful core" that you're supposedly speaking for.

You said: They will abandon Wii U development, port Zelda to NX, cancel the Wii U version, etc, etc.

The truth: You flat-out made this tripe up, as you acknowledged. This goes beyond speculation, well into the realm of sensationalist garbage. You could have gotten away with it if you hadn't included them canceling the Wii U version for no reason. Don't try so hard next time and people will be more likely to take you seriously.

You said: "Nintendo has decided to go with cell phone gaming and bringing it's [sic] franchises to them instead of a new Nintendo handheld, most likely."

The truth: Adding "most likely" at the end of a statement doesn't allow you to get away with spreading such ridiculous misinformation. Specifically the phrase instead of a new Nintendo handheld. The suggestion being that Nintendo will not make another handheld after the success of the 3DS? A modest success, perhaps, but compare it to the Wii U. You expect them to launch a Wii U successor, but not a 3DS successor? I can't imagine such an illogical conclusion on your part not being deliberate.

Such bafflingly unreasonable "opinions," grounded only in ignorance of the obvious reality of the situation, are no more constructive than misinformation. It's basic fear-mongering, like most doom threads.

Tachikoma said:

I know full well just how shitly third party treated Nintendo gamers for the first 16 months of the WiiU's life - theyre hanging that public response around their neck like it's the end users fault, it isn't, it's the lazyness and greed of the third parties.

I think the way they treated Nintendo gamers for the entire 6 years of the Wii's life is more damaging. You could see a few of them try to sweep those 6 years under the rug at the start of the Wii U's life, trying to pretend none of that ever happened... while simultaneously releasing absolute gems like Game Party Champions and ESPN Sports Connection.