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zorg1000 said:
Gammalad said:
The NX probably will not be out till 2017 at the earliest, releasing it in 2016 would be a dumb idea for them if its a home console because it would be too soon of a release to the Wii U. The NX is more than likely Nintendo's next handheld than the home console, and I really doubt Nintendo is going to delay Zelda U into 2017 when between now and then they could create a kickass 3D Mario game to be a launch title for that system that would probably sell more than what Zelda U could hope to.


How is 4 years too soon?

Sega Genesis released 3 years after Master System and went on to be Sega's best selling hardware ever.

Nintendo DS released 3.5 years after Gameboy Advance and went on the be Nintendo's best selling hardware ever.

Xbox 360 released 4 years after Xbox and went on to sell 60 million more than the original.

Obviously things aren't working out for Nintendo with Wii U, why keep it going for 3 million sales per year? By holiday 2016, Nintendo will have published about 45 games for Wii U, which is pretty much the same amount they did for N64 & GC so u can't try claiming they didn't support it.

Sometimes it's best to learn from ur mistakes and start over.


When it comes to releasing new consoles when your old one isn't doing too well SEGA isn't the shining example of that.
Nintendo is known for supporting their home consoles for at least 5 years. Nintendo is not in a position to hurt consumer trust. As a Wii U owner I would not buy the NX if it dropped next year at all. Because how do I know Nintendo isn't going to abandon ship on that one if things start going south? Not many people would be too keen that after buying a PS4 or XBO that they would have to run out and buy the PS5 and the XB2(?) 3-4 years later. And like I have said many times if anything the NX is more than likely Nintendo's next handheld system and not home console as it fits more of the criteria for handhelds than it does for the home console. Also for the fact we won't be seeing it till mid next year also tells me we won't see a solid release for it till the following year.



"I think it will be the HDS"-Me in regards to Nintendo's next handheld.

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Gammalad said:

When it comes to releasing new consoles when your old one isn't doing too well SEGA isn't the shining example of that.
Nintendo is known for supporting their home consoles for at least 5 years. Nintendo is not in a position to hurt consumer trust. As a Wii U owner I would not buy the NX if it dropped next year at all. Because how do I know Nintendo isn't going to abandon ship on that one if things start going south? Not many people would be too keen that after buying a PS4 or XBO that they would have to run out and buy the PS5 and the XB2(?) 3-4 years later. And like I have said many times if anything the NX is more than likely Nintendo's next handheld system and not home console as it fits more of the criteria for handhelds than it does for the home console. Also for the fact we won't be seeing it till mid next year also tells me we won't see a solid release for it till the following year.


You may think that, but nothing on the examples he mentioned corroborates to think that what you say goes on the mind of the average consumer. Sega consoles didn't sell because they sucked. Plain and simple. The NX will sell if it's good, and it won't, if it sucks, the same way it happened with pratically all platforms in the past. There is little to do with the year they are released. The launch of a new product seems detrimental only to the old hardware, not the new.

 

Besides, I think this is right specially because a lot of Nintendo fans are against the idea, and a lot of those Nintendo fans are almost always wrong about their favorite company and the console market these days. Just a few of their consensus predictions below:

- PS4/XBO will run on relatively weaker hardware.

- Wii-U will sell a lot.

- There will be no 2DS.

- There will be no Nintendo games on smartphones.

- Nintendo won't announce a new product soon.

And the list goes on...

 



 

 

 

 

 

If OP is right then my Wii U purchase last year will feel like a complete waste. I judge Nintendo consoles by the quality of the Zelda titles that appear on them. If the Wii U has no exclusive Zelda title, it will go down in history as my least favorite Nintendo console.



haxxiy said:


You may think that, but nothing on the examples he mentioned corroborates to think that what you say goes on the mind of the average consumer. Sega consoles didn't sell because they sucked. Plain and simple. The NX will sell if it's good, and it won't, if it sucks, the same way it happened with pratically all platforms in the past. There is little to do with the year they are released. The launch of a new product seems detrimental only to the old hardware, not the new.

 

Besides, I think this is right specially because a lot of Nintendo fans are against the idea, and a lot of those Nintendo fans are almost always wrong about their favorite company and the console market these days. Just a few of their consensus predictions below:

- PS4/XBO will run on relatively weaker hardware.

- Wii-U will sell a lot.

- There will be no 2DS.

- There will be no Nintendo games on smartphones.

- Nintendo won't announce a new product soon.

And the list goes on...

 


As a Nintendo fan I have never said the PS4/XBO will run on weaker hardware, I never ruled out the possibility of a 2DS (or a 3Dless 3DS), I saw it as a impractical thing, but a novel idea if they ever did it. I knew the smartphone move was inevtiable to some degree and I always know Nintendo is looking to improve on their hardware, so I don't see the point of your list. What I am saying it seems impractical to kill off your system this soon into the life of the generation. 



"I think it will be the HDS"-Me in regards to Nintendo's next handheld.

it's possible, not obvious. We don't even have a release or launch date for the NX yet, or a confirmation of what the NX is. It could be a new hand held, it could be a fuzion console, who knows? Well, I suppose Nintendo does, but that is about the only thing that is actually obvious. 

Another thing that is not obvious is when the NX is actually going to release. 

Your "obvious" statement is plausible at best.



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zorg1000 said:
Cloudman said:


With my original post, I was meaning more of the recent titles from MK8 and onward are when the bigger games were coming out, and still are. I would like to consider DKTF, but some reason, people don't seem to favor it much : /

That's actually what I'm playing right now, great game


yeah, I played some too, and I really enjoy it : ) Actually, I saw it sold a mil now, so scratch them. Still doesn't help the Wii U though : (



 

              

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Possible but not obvious, yet. Not showing it at E3 doesn't make sense if the game is far off and it goes against Nintendo's tradition. There was one point in the Wii U's life where Nintendo obviously felt the need to announce a bunch of games well ahead of time (X, Fire Emblem, Yoshi), but they were desperate, Nintendo normally has no more then a 12month turnover period from announcement to release.


Zelda probably isn't coming in the summer 2016. 3-6month delays is what we get when a team needs time to polish, to perfect what they already have. Exploring and Implementing new gameplay experiences is a whole other ball game.

I wouldn't at all be surprised if it launch alongside Nintendo's new platform, but I wouldn't bet on it either. No one initially expected the game this year, there was so much doubt that Nintendo had to specifically reinforce its release date. Now that its delayed we're essentially back where we started, so I don't see it as reasons to jump to conclusions when everyone kind of expected a 2016 release to begin with.



Cloudman said:
zorg1000 said:

That's actually what I'm playing right now, great game


yeah, I played some too, and I really enjoy it : ) Actually, I saw it sold a mil now, so scratch them. Still doesn't help the Wii U though : (


I enjoyed Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze as well. I wish more people got the game.



Soundwave said:

 

We gonna act like this couldn't be any more obvious? 

Why not at least show the game at E3, have a story trailer, something ... anything ... the reason is the game's development is now being tailored to the NX and they can't very well show it before they show the NX platform itself (which isn't going to happen at E3 I guess). 

This is Twilight Princess all over again. 

Now Nintendo also has a pretty big launch title for the NX platform IMO ... whatever that is. Heck EAD Tokyo could also have a new 3D Mario also ready for a late 2016-ish launch. 

Nintendo is probably taking steps now to make sure the NX isn't a repeat of the poor 3DS and Wii U launches, that means they could very well be loading the deck, perhaps they feel like NX is an all-or-nothing bet ... they can't have another slow starting console and are going to throw everything and the kitchen sink at this. 

You have to admit with Zelda potentially at launch ... basically they're pretty much set for a good launch. 

This all makes sense.  It actually makes too much sense.  

So, Nintendo generally doesn't do that very often.  They seem to have a different plan than what could make sense for everyone that is their hardcore base, but not so much for everyone else.



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Gammalad said:
zorg1000 said:


How is 4 years too soon?

Sega Genesis released 3 years after Master System and went on to be Sega's best selling hardware ever.

Nintendo DS released 3.5 years after Gameboy Advance and went on the be Nintendo's best selling hardware ever.

Xbox 360 released 4 years after Xbox and went on to sell 60 million more than the original.

Obviously things aren't working out for Nintendo with Wii U, why keep it going for 3 million sales per year? By holiday 2016, Nintendo will have published about 45 games for Wii U, which is pretty much the same amount they did for N64 & GC so u can't try claiming they didn't support it.

Sometimes it's best to learn from ur mistakes and start over.


When it comes to releasing new consoles when your old one isn't doing too well SEGA isn't the shining example of that.
Nintendo is known for supporting their home consoles for at least 5 years. Nintendo is not in a position to hurt consumer trust. As a Wii U owner I would not buy the NX if it dropped next year at all. Because how do I know Nintendo isn't going to abandon ship on that one if things start going south? Not many people would be too keen that after buying a PS4 or XBO that they would have to run out and buy the PS5 and the XB2(?) 3-4 years later. And like I have said many times if anything the NX is more than likely Nintendo's next handheld system and not home console as it fits more of the criteria for handhelds than it does for the home console. Also for the fact we won't be seeing it till mid next year also tells me we won't see a solid release for it till the following year.


Thank you for conveniently ignoring two of my points.

Did u feel burned by Nintendo when GBA was replaced 3.5 years after launch?

Did Xbox fans feel burned when 360 released 4 years after launch?

Ur Sega examples are in the slightest the same thing Nintendo would be doing. Sega lost trust because they repeatedly dropped support before they really gave a shot. Sega CD & 32x were both expensive add-ons that got very little support followed by releasing the most expensive next-gen console that also got very little support in the 3 years it was on the market. Sega pissed off fans by not supporting their devices, they pissed off retailers by not letting them in on the surprise early launch, they also pissed off developers by making hard to develop for hardware and not letting them know about the surprise early launch as well. Sega pissed off everybody from 94-98 while losing money in the process.

And no, Nintendo is not known for supporting their consoles for 5 years. What relevant titles did Nintendo 64 get after 2000? Paper Mario. What relevant titles did Gamecube get after 2005? Just Zelda. What relevant titles did Wii get after 2010? Zelda & Kirby.



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