uran10 said: Kerotan said: Burek said: 20.2 million for PS4. VGC tracking spot on What happened to WiiU, it's dropping like a rock? i was wondering the same. with china launch coming and some big releases in japan the vita might maintain it's lead or even increase it over the wii u.  Mario party, X and splatoon will have so much fun :)

i think you'll be surprised with how little hardware they shift. 

Oh gosh, a new system in 2016 sounds like a mistake to be honest, its at least a year too early.

Problem with the WIi U is that Ninetendo weren't trying to compete with anyone. For whatever reason they thought they could replicated the Wii, a system which had no competition because it had a truly unique selling point and low entry price, meaning even if you had  360/PS3 you would still strongly consider getting a Wii, whereas PS3 and 360 were competing for the same audience and instead of one dominating like the PS2, the market was split 50/50. Unfortunately for Nintendo they didn't win their casual market with the gamepad, the Wii U isn't actually that cheap to be a throw away purchase and its not even an option for primary console amongst core gamers. I mean did anyone expect that the average 360/PS3 owner would commit the next 5 years of gaming to a system pretty much equal with what they've had at home for the prior 5 years? I don't think Nintendo could be so daft so we have to assume that Nintendo were trying to carve out their own niche, existing alongside PS4/X1 as opposed to competeing with them and stealing their audience.

Now Nintendo shouldn't launch in 2016 because they would be setting themselves up to compete directly with PS4/X1 which is crazy. You don't attack a competitor just as they're about to become their most powerfull; just as their price is about to hit that mass market adoption point, just as their software line up becomes its most compelling and amazing yet or just as their sales reach are about to reach their highest peak.

They need to position themselves as a successor to the PS4 not its competitor, the same way the 360 was a successor to the PS2. Let PS4 have its peak and be on the decline. Let its hardware truly show its age, let developers moan about how weak its hardware is and yearn for better hardware, let the core audience to fatigue and wane. The best predicament would be that multiplat comparison videos look night and day between the PS4 and Next Nintendo. To me that means fall 2017 launch at the earliest, because not only does the PS4 need to be on the decline but technology has to have moved on far enough for Ninetendo to offer a generational leap leap at $399.

The generational leap is where the Wii U failed in stealing of the PS4/X1 marketshare (outside of marketing and weak 1st party line up), Nintendo don't need to be as powerful as the PS5 or X2... PS2 was weaker then the Xbox/gamecube, the PS1 was weaker then the N64, everyone was sure the 360 was going to be a lot weaker then the PS3 the way sony were hyping the cell but that didn't stop 360 from gaining huge momentum in 2005/6. Nintendo simply need to be next gen in comparison to the generation before, just as PS1 was to the snes and PS2 to the PS1. Now if they manage that whilst also being early enough to have a year or 2 without any new competition they will do miles and could even become market leader in 9th gen. My doubts are that Nintendo won't know how to market in a way that appeals to a more core market, that they'll be afraid to sell a system for more the $299 and above that afraid to make a temporary loss on hardware.

I would like to see you what you will be saying on holidays...?Because then wii u closes a lot the gap with psvita...Face the truth kerotan,the inevitable will happen,ps vita will be below wii u by the holidays if not earlier,unless something miraculous for vita happens,when wii u is reaching 250-300k on  some  weeks on  holidays and psvita just 80-90k...You know!;)

How a console that doesn't get any love,attention and support from its company will outsell a console that get all that from its company...?

P.s I want to believe that you don't have a hope because of China...

Xbone shoud teach you something,although even without any paradigm you should not have hope with China,if you take some facts into account as I had done when I was saying before xbone release in China and rationalizing with verified arguments that China would do nothing for XBone...

Xbox has sold about 100k. PSV demand is multiple that of the xbox.  It can shift 200k there this year.  Couple that with the fact the vita is undertracked on here by a decent margin plus the fact the Wii U will barely outsell the vita some months this year or as we are seeing now even get outsold for a few weeks.  

The Wii U needs to make up more than you think.  

Anyway,goodluck...One phrase says: A man can dream...

Yeah ps vita will sell the numbers that sony expect for ps4...

Where is it undertracked?I'm thinking that it's the time to make my thread of contradicting that...