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BraveNewWorld said:

James Madison is turning in his grave. He gave us a mere ten rules to ensure our freedom and they're being systematically altered and stripped!

 

“I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations.” - President James Madison

The second amendment was written during a time of civil war with the English. It made sense to allow people to wear arms. It however doesn't make sense to allow every nutcase firearms in the 21st century in the US.

Classic example of abusing history to fit your own needs. Well guess what, leave history to those who studied it extensively!



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o_O.Q said:
starcraft said:

I see what you're saying, and agree with you entirely. Hand guns and drink driving should be banned as soon as possible.

well don't forget we should ban knives before hand guns since they kill more people

so start with that 

no one shall be allowed to chop their vegetables!


In Norway you're allowed to carry knives in public. How's that for a start?



thranx said:
Hiku said:

While I'm aware that some US government agencies do some shady and illegal stuff, that tends to go down behind the scenesd. Like the black site torture that was recently reported. Pulling a gun on them does not seem like a choice that would lead you anywhere other than in jail or in a coffin. In those situations, you're "supposed to" defend your rights in court. Pulling a gun on them is deemed resisting arrest, and can give them authority to open fire.


No they do plenty of home in vasion type entering from the BLM, from the FDA. Not to mention DHS, a fully armed, on us soil army, that does not see its main goal as protection its people, but as protectiong the government. The EPA, etc. Why do they all need to be armed police forces? Why can't they just ask for local assistance from local law enforcement? Because, local law enforcement is more likely to say no, because local law enforcement is closer to the poelp, just like the army is of the people. But these federal agncies are for the government. We are still in the middle of an IRS investigation on how they abused their powers to squash beliefs they did not approve of. So I no longer have a trust of the government, and would most certainly feel safer with a means to defend my self if things keep getting worse.

Local law enforcement is hardly "local." Just ask the people of Ferguson.

I'd trust an EPA agent long before i trusted a local cop (and i'm white, so less reason to fear arbitrary violence from the police).



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Mr Khan said:
thranx said:
Hiku said:
 

While I'm aware that some US government agencies do some shady and illegal stuff, that tends to go down behind the scenesd. Like the black site torture that was recently reported. Pulling a gun on them does not seem like a choice that would lead you anywhere other than in jail or in a coffin. In those situations, you're "supposed to" defend your rights in court. Pulling a gun on them is deemed resisting arrest, and can give them authority to open fire.


No they do plenty of home in vasion type entering from the BLM, from the FDA. Not to mention DHS, a fully armed, on us soil army, that does not see its main goal as protection its people, but as protectiong the government. The EPA, etc. Why do they all need to be armed police forces? Why can't they just ask for local assistance from local law enforcement? Because, local law enforcement is more likely to say no, because local law enforcement is closer to the poelp, just like the army is of the people. But these federal agncies are for the government. We are still in the middle of an IRS investigation on how they abused their powers to squash beliefs they did not approve of. So I no longer have a trust of the government, and would most certainly feel safer with a means to defend my self if things keep getting worse.

Local law enforcement is hardly "local." Just ask the people of Ferguson.

I'd trust an EPA agent long before i trusted a local cop (and i'm white, so less reason to fear arbitrary violence from the police).

So were in a agreement. We cant trust the government and should have a means to defend ourselvs. I'm glad we can agree on something :)