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sc94597 said:
Ka-pi96 said:
sc94597 said:
theprof00 said:
That seems like it goes against anti-competition laws.

Why? The article states that Verizon, AT&T, TimeWarner, and DirectTV don't do this. Anti-competition would be if they collaborated on this, and obviously HBO/Time Warner (owns HBO) wouldn't be happy because they want more people to subscribe to their content. 

Isn't American internet kind of segregated though? Like, each company has its own areas where there is like no competition?

This is television, not internet. You have at least three-four options depending where you live. Here we have Comcast, Verizon, Direct TV, and Dish which provide HBO content. Internet is an entirely different matter. The last two just lease off of Verizon internet (or provide shitty satelite service.)  Right now because of a dispute with comcast, I tether from my phone's unlimited 4G LTE data plan. Still haven't been reprimanded for it. 

There are plenty of places that only have 2 options max. Depending on where you live satellite may not be an option.



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sc94597 said:
Also in the end of the article I posted it says this,

"The news comes as HBO is getting ready to launch a standalone streaming service that will not require a cable subscription."

I can guarantee you that you'll be able to use it on your Comcast internet.


Only if you have an apple device. So... I won't be able to use it.



wilco said:
sc94597 said:
Also in the end of the article I posted it says this,

"The news comes as HBO is getting ready to launch a standalone streaming service that will not require a cable subscription."

I can guarantee you that you'll be able to use it on your Comcast internet.


Only if you have an apple device. So... I won't be able to use it.

Oh, didn't realize that it was only for apple devices.

Side-Note: 

That cements the point. If Apple can make a deal with HBO to only have their standalone streaming service on their devices, legally, and that isn't anti-competitive, why can't Comcast do the same with their contracted HBO service? 



sc94597 said:
binary solo said:

Ahhh no. That's not a logically analogous situation, which seems to indicate you have no idea what this is fundamentally about. An analogous situation gaming-wise would be the ISP blocking access to online game content for the PS3/4 version of a multiplat even though the publisher has made that content available to owners of the PS3/4 versions of said game, and said content is freely accessible to people who use a different ISP.

Or if you want a utility version, it would be the electricy company blocking electricy supply to your washing machine (imagining that such a thing is technically feasible for the sake of discussion) because it is a washing machine you didn;t buy from the utility company. Because the utility company happens to be a home appliance retailer as well as a utility company.

The service people are trying to access is HBOGo, which is not a Comcast product. So Comcast isn't "not providing the service". The service Comcast is providing is as an ISP. Hence Comcast is blocking access to a service.

Anyway, I'm glad I live in a country where this sort of shit could not legally happen...I think...pretty sure...maybe I need to look into this a bit more. 

Except this is not an internet block. It is an account block. I'm almost sure that if I had a Verizon account that has HBO GO and tried using it on a PS4 connected to Comcast I will be able to view the content in question. Nowhere did it say it was ISP based, just HBO subscriber based. Comcast provides the subscription that they are using to log in. Without the subscription, you can't log in. 

 

That's irrelevant. The only reason Comcast can block access is because it is that person's ISP, no other reason.  Therefore it is Comcast's position as the ISP that is preventing people from accessing a service (HBOGo) not owned by Comcast. An ISP should not be allowed to selectively block accounts for access to services that are not their own.

HBO may be an accessory here if HBO has made certain deals with certain ISP/cable providers to funnel content delivery in certain ways. And if such collusion has been going on between HBO and some ISPs then that needs to have a light shone on it.

Until proven otherwise this situation is a clear indication of a utility provider (ISP) using it's position as an ISP to try to force people to access a service in a certain way. It is not that much different to MS using it's position of dominance in PC OS to try to get people to use Explorer as their web browser, a practicve for which MS got into all sorts of legal trouble.

As a cable provider Comcast should not be able to use its position as such to force someone to access HBOGo via the internet through a Comcast account where Comcast is also the ISP. Cable TV abnd internet are completely separate services and even though a company provides both services there should be an arms length relationship when it comes to allowing access to content that can be accessed through both services. 

I doubt you can guarantee access to a non-cable subscrition linked internet HBOGo subscription through Comcast internet. Because Comcast will still be able to tell the account is linked to a COmcast subscription and thius block access, unless and until Comcast is hauled over the legal coals for such a practice. Unless of course youy are a Comcast employee and you know that Comcast will free up acces sin this way. Are you a Comcast employee?



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I'm definitely more pissed at HBO than I am at comcast. The whole subscription requirement was bs from the get go. Especially when they kind of subverted the tv providers by allowing people to share passwords. HBO needs to grow some balls and just dump that business model already. There are millions of people eager to throw money at them. Netflix did it without needing to align themselves with other companies, what is hbo so afraid of?



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binary solo said:
sc94597 said:

Except this is not an internet block. It is an account block. I'm almost sure that if I had a Verizon account that has HBO GO and tried using it on a PS4 connected to Comcast I will be able to view the content in question. Nowhere did it say it was ISP based, just HBO subscriber based. Comcast provides the subscription that they are using to log in. Without the subscription, you can't log in. 

 

That's irrelevant. The only reason Comcast can block access is because it is that person's ISP, no other reason.  

You are wrong! I already clarified this countless times. It is Comcast's position as the subscription seller (they sell the subscription to the consumer in a cable package) which allows them to not participate in the application on other platforms. The ISP and internet has nothing to do with it. If I were using Verizon internet, I still wouldn't be able to us my Comcast HBO subscription to log in. You can't use it because they are not an option on the drop down menu. Learn what you are talking about, please. I'm not continuing with you until you do. I've already attempted twice to tell you how this works. 



Glancing through these pages and I'm now under the impression that there's two separate arguments occurring because people aren't quite grasping the issue at hand.

So what I want to know, is this an A or B situation?

A) You are not signed up for HBO through Comcast, who provides your cable. You want to sign up for HBO Go as a standalone service (which is an app you can access through the internet on Smart TVs, smart box tops, consoles, web). Comcast also being your internet provider is not allowing you to access HBOGo by restricting your internet on non approved platforms (in this case PS4) because they want you to sign up for HBo through them as a cable company as opposed to signing up for the standalone HBO service.

Or B) You have HBO on your Comcast cable subscription. You aren't able to use your Comcast login info to access HBO Go on certain platforms (PS4)

I was initially under the impression that this was an A type scenario which would definitely be an issue of net neutrality in my honest opinion.



aLkaLiNE said:

Glancing through these pages and I'm now under the impression that there's two separate arguments occurring because people aren't quite grasping the issue at hand.

So what I want to know, is this an A or B situation?

A) You are not signed up for HBO through Comcast, who provides your cable. You want to sign up for HBO Go as a standalone service (which is an app you can access through the internet on Smart TVs, smart box tops, consoles, web). Comcast also being your internet provider is not allowing you to access HBOGo by restricting your internet on non approved platforms (in this case PS4) because they want you to sign up for HBo through them as a cable company as opposed to signing up for the standalone HBO service.

Or B) You have HBO on your Comcast cable subscription. You aren't able to use your Comcast login info to access HBO Go on certain platforms (PS4)

I was initially under the impression that this was an A type scenario which would definitely be an issue of net neutrality in my honest opinion.


It is option B. Comcast isn't on the drop down list of television providers. You have a subscription to Comcast which includes HBO, but you can't use this subscription in the application. You can still download the application and if you had a Verizon, Time Warner, At&T, Cox, etc television provider you can sign in. It is the exact same thing HBO is doing with Apple. You can only watch HBO GO content using their standalone HBO service (no television provider needed) if you have an Apple device. 



sc94597 said:
Wonktonodi said:


ISP internet Service Provider

Yes, comcast is an ISP, but read the full article. They meant cable company. 

This is where people are stuck. 

Comcast is not on the list. 

Interesting point. Though with how large comcast is and howmuch it does, it's hard to say it's only cable. It's about online access to content being restricted by devices. While most people just think of net neutrality as the internet providers not blocking or messing with speeds of content to end usesers. The flip side to that is content providers not being able to lock out certain devices. I don't think people should be heald hostage because comcast wants to tripple dip. It's bad enough they dip twice. That's why I'd like them regulated like utilities.

Imagine power companies tripple dipping. You pay for your power. The companies that make the most energy get charged extra for the privalege of selling it to you, and all the manufacturers of devices in your home might need to pay so that your power company doesn't decide to block them from working in your home.

 

 

 



sc94597 said:
binary solo said:

Erm, perhaps because Comcast is blocking it because it has its own set top box with Xfinity that they want you to buy in order to be able to access HBOGo. Hence they are trying to force you to buy their thing by bloccking access through a device you already own. Thus anti-competetive behaviour. And even worse if Comcast is not blocking the same from other console platforms, which would only be at the behest of some sort of deal with other console makers, which makes it anti-competetive on 2 fronts.

Comcast would likely argue that they're not blocking a service, just that they're not providing one (you need to use your Comcast account with an HBO subscription.) Using your logic though, are video game exclusives anti-competitive? 

which is where net neutrality comes in.