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Guys this is a separate issue to net neutrality entirely.

There may be an argument that this violates competition rules, maybe not.

But net neutrality is about prioritizing different activity over ISP connections based on payments for preferential treatment - its more of a fundamental discussion about the right of people to have access to an equitable, fair and even internet.



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sc94597 said:

No my litmus test for whether or not something is a utility is whether or not people can functionally survive in our society without it. This is about television, not internet. Nobody has brought evidence that this app blocks people who are using Comcast internet, but a different HBO GO account. 

So would you consider the internet a utility then? If so why should an internet provider be allowed to block content on speciic devices? Especially if that internet provider is also a content creator.

ps3 and ps4 have no cable access just internet. While it is access to a telivision app through the internet, it is still internet.



Here you go guys, proof that what I assumed was correct. 

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2477891,00.asp

You can download the app, you can't access the content with your Comcast account. Nothing is being blocked by the ISP. The cable provider option just doesn't include Comcast. 

PS4 users can now add the HBO GO app to their consoles, where they can catch up on Girls or re-live The Sopranos. You have to be an HBO subscriber to watch, and you prove that by authenticating your cable provider within the app. Comcast, however, is not among the ISP options, so customers can't sign in.



Wonktonodi said:
sc94597 said:

No my litmus test for whether or not something is a utility is whether or not people can functionally survive in our society without it. This is about television, not internet. Nobody has brought evidence that this app blocks people who are using Comcast internet, but a different HBO GO account. 

So would you consider the internet a utility then? If so why should an internet provider be allowed to block content on speciic devices? Especially if that internet provider is also a content creator.

ps3 and ps4 have no cable access just internet. While it is access to a telivision app through the internet, it is still internet.

The content isn't blocked. You can still download the HBO GO app. You can't log in with your comcast account though. The question is whether or not a Comcast telivision subscription which includes HBO will work. 



starcraft said:
Guys this is a separate issue to net neutrality entirely.

There may be an argument that this violates competition rules, maybe not.

But net neutrality is about prioritizing different activity over ISP connections based on payments for preferential treatment - its more of a fundamental discussion about the right of people to have access to an equitable, fair and even internet.

 

net neu·tral·i·ty
noun
noun: net neutrality; noun: network neutrality
  1. the principle that Internet service providers should enable access to all content and applications regardless of the source, and without favoring or blocking particular products or websites.

 

I think this is very clearly a net neutrality issue.



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sc94597 said:

Here you go guys, proof that what I assumed was correct. 

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2477891,00.asp

You can download the app, you can't access the content with your Comcast account. Nothing is being blocked by the ISP. The cable provider option just doesn't include Comcast. 

PS4 users can now add the HBO GO app to their consoles, where they can catch up on Girls or re-live The Sopranos. You have to be an HBO subscriber to watch, and you prove that by authenticating your cable provider within the app. Comcast, however, is not among the ISP options, so customers can't sign in.


ISP internet Service Provider



So here is how this works. Because you guys are not understanding. There are two services Comcast can provide here. They can provide an HBO subscription through their Cable package, which on some devices you can use to log in to HBO GO and on others there is no option. Comcast also provides internet. If this were a question of an ISP selectively choosing who gets to download what on the internet, then you'd have an argument. Instead, it is Comcast, as a cable company, refusing to include their subscription service on certain devices, just like if I were a publisher I can only publish my game on certain game platforms.



Wonktonodi said:
sc94597 said:

Here you go guys, proof that what I assumed was correct. 

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2477891,00.asp

You can download the app, you can't access the content with your Comcast account. Nothing is being blocked by the ISP. The cable provider option just doesn't include Comcast. 

PS4 users can now add the HBO GO app to their consoles, where they can catch up on Girls or re-live The Sopranos. You have to be an HBO subscriber to watch, and you prove that by authenticating your cable provider within the app. Comcast, however, is not among the ISP options, so customers can't sign in.


ISP internet Service Provider

Yes, comcast is an ISP, but read the full article. They meant cable company. 

This is where people are stuck. 

Comcast is not on the list. 



Also in the end of the article I posted it says this,

"The news comes as HBO is getting ready to launch a standalone streaming service that will not require a cable subscription."

I can guarantee you that you'll be able to use it on your Comcast internet.



Wonktonodi said:
starcraft said:
Guys this is a separate issue to net neutrality entirely.

There may be an argument that this violates competition rules, maybe not.

But net neutrality is about prioritizing different activity over ISP connections based on payments for preferential treatment - its more of a fundamental discussion about the right of people to have access to an equitable, fair and even internet.

net neu·tral·i·ty

noun
noun: net neutrality; noun: network neutrality
  1. the principle that Internet service providers should enable access to all content and applications regardless of the source, and without favoring or blocking particular products or websites.

I think this is very clearly a net neutrality issue.

As sc94597 just outlined, you're confusing Comcast the cable company with Comcast the ISP.

Comcast the cable company has simply not permitted HBO Go to be delivered on competing devices. I think this is a dirty move, and I think it likely falls afoul of competition law.

But it isn't about net neutrality.



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