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SamuelRSmith said:
czecherychestnut said:

The problem with that though is that banning them from schools isn't enough, you would need to ban them from shops,  doctors surgery's, churches, any place that people congregate. Which is impossible, that a why herd immunity is so important. I have a 8 month old son, he is too young to have the MMR vaccine, so he is fully reliant on herd immunity. Its a public health issue, people aren't just affecting themselves when they choice not to vaccinate, they threaten us all. Anti-vaxxers have this mentality that if you extended to driving would entitle them to drive however they like because it would only affect them. We have compulsory road laws and training BECAUSE peoples actions can affect everyone, and it's the same with vaccinations. It should be compulsory, pure and simple.

No, it's up to property owners to decide whether they want to ban in their establishment, and how they wish to enforce said bans. That's not impossible. You can then choose which establishments you bring your 8 month old baby into.

Your mentality IS extended to driving. People have to follow certain rules to be allowed onto roads, and private property owners can set their own rules for driving on their property. It works fairly well. My suggestion is exactly the same principle: if you want to enter a space, it's up to the property owner to decide what rules you abide by, and it's up to them to decide how to enforce that rule.

I completely disagree with you. Your idea makes a majority of population hostages of the few irresponsible selfish individuals. What do we need, a sign saying: "This area is free of deadly communicable diseases!"? 

Sometimes you cannot choose where you bring your 8 month old baby, or your 7-year old leukemia patient.

There should be no democracy or freedom of expression when public safety is in jeopardy, and there should be no leniency to those that willfully endanger others.

"We allow use of firearms in this shopping mall, please enter at your own responsibility!"



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Burek said:

I completely disagree with you. Your idea makes a majority of population hostages of the few irresponsible selfish individuals. What do we need, a sign saying: "This area is free of deadly communicable diseases!"? 

Sometimes you cannot choose where you bring your 8 month old baby, or your 7-year old leukemia patient.

There should be no democracy or freedom of expression when public safety is in jeopardy, and there should be no leniency to those that willfully endanger others.

"We allow use of firearms in this shopping mall, please enter at your own responsibility!"

A few selfish individuals will own the majority of public places? Okay. Most people will think like you, 99% of spaces will require vaccination - including schools, hospitals, nurseries, theme parks, anywhere where you could possibly want to take an 8 month year old baby or 7-year old leukemia patient.

That's pretty far from a hostage situation.



SamuelRSmith said:
Burek said:

I completely disagree with you. Your idea makes a majority of population hostages of the few irresponsible selfish individuals. What do we need, a sign saying: "This area is free of deadly communicable diseases!"? 

Sometimes you cannot choose where you bring your 8 month old baby, or your 7-year old leukemia patient.

There should be no democracy or freedom of expression when public safety is in jeopardy, and there should be no leniency to those that willfully endanger others.

"We allow use of firearms in this shopping mall, please enter at your own responsibility!"

A few selfish individuals will own the majority of public places? Okay. Most people will think like you, 99% of spaces will require vaccination - including schools, hospitals, nurseries, theme parks, anywhere where you could possibly want to take an 8 month year old baby or 7-year old leukemia patient.

That's pretty far from a hostage situation.


You know what is good about mandatory vaccinations? People don't have to guess if the person is vaccinated and if the facility is disease-free. 

But, maybe your idea is valid. I propose we let people decide, and those who choose not to vaccinate can wear a yellow band on their sleeve. 



Burek said:

You know what is good about mandatory vaccinations? People don't have to guess if the person is vaccinated and if the facility is disease-free. 

But, maybe your idea is valid. I propose we let people decide, and those who choose not to vaccinate can have a yellow band on their sleeve. 


Those loons out there who are kicking up a fuss over this aren't going to submit and get their kids vaccinated. "Mandating" it won't make much difference in that regard.

It's not really that difficult. Where kids are most at risk, ie, when the kids are closest to each other and playing around, could easily be controlled. Schools, can't sign up without medical papers. Play areas, membership only, have to provide evidence to get membership.

Just like how the vegetarian society exists to certify restaurants and the like, a "vaccine" society could exist to certify that establishments have in place proper protocols. All you need to do then look for a little "V", or whatever.

"Proving" your vaccination to the establishment is also fairly easy, given modern technology. A smartphone app provided by health insurers could verify your vaccinations. Health insurers would benefit from providing said app, because increased vaccinations bring down their costs.



SamuelRSmith said:
Burek said:

You know what is good about mandatory vaccinations? People don't have to guess if the person is vaccinated and if the facility is disease-free. 

But, maybe your idea is valid. I propose we let people decide, and those who choose not to vaccinate can have a yellow band on their sleeve. 


Those loons out there who are kicking up a fuss over this aren't going to submit and get their kids vaccinated. "Mandating" it won't make much difference in that regard.

It's not really that difficult. Where kids are most at risk, ie, when the kids are closest to each other and playing around, could easily be controlled. Schools, can't sign up without medical papers. Play areas, membership only, have to provide evidence to get membership.

Just like how the vegetarian society exists to certify restaurants and the like, a "vaccine" society could exist to certify that establishments have in place proper protocols. All you need to do then look for a little "V", or whatever.

"Proving" your vaccination to the establishment is also fairly easy, given modern technology. A smartphone app provided by health insurers could verify your vaccinations. Health insurers would benefit from providing said app, because increased vaccinations bring down their costs.


I can't believe you're equating vaccination to vegetarianism. By eating tomatoes or bamboo you are not endangering anybody. And neither is someone eating porkchops or chicken.

By refusing vaccination you are allowing deadly diseases to find a host, and potentially harm others.

Also, I think you have a very idealistic view if private property, as no level if ownership allows you to conduct dangerous activities on your own property. Guess what, you cannot choose whether to allow smoking in your café, it is mandated by law. You cannot grow and produce cocaine on your property. You cannot host a terrorist organization on your private property. 



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Scoobes said:
Teeqoz said:


That's how many children per thousand are diagnosed with autism. As you can see, there's a more than 200% increase since 2000. Now I don't know why that is, but it has to be something.

You may want to check how the diagnosis of autism has changed over the years.

Plus, as with anything like this, link?

On top of that the problem with trying to associate one with the other is that the declining rates of measles is in developing countries that are receiving vaccines for the first time, the rising diagnosis of Autism is not in those same countries.



The sad thing is vaccines were almost too good and people forgot what life was life 100 years ago. My grandparents came from large farm families. One was one of nine the other one of twelve. If the twenty one children six of them died of disease before adulthood that have been nearly wiped out due to vaccination.

It is staggering to me that people would willingly want to go back to that age.



Cobretti2 said:

Everything these days can cause autism apparently including our food.

http://www.realfarmacy.com/senior-mit-scientist-warns-1-2-children-will-autism-2025/

Here's the real research: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3945755/

The dangers of glyphosate seem to be very real, but not linked with autism necessarily or at least strictly.



I am more believe vaccine can change and distorted some DNA and RNA factor in human gene, that lead some modification on human behavior and attitude.



padib said:
Based on expert medical testimony, the court concluded that the child more likely than not suffered autism and brain damage because of the neurotoxic mercury, aluminum and his particular susceptibility from a genetic mutation.

Because we all know that it's the courts that decide on science and medicine, and should be considered to be authoritative sources on such topics.