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Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 12 February 2015
Ruler said:
Captain_Yuri said:

The point of the benchmark is to show that when there is no bottleneck for the CPU, that is the fps that you will be recieving... And resolution doesn't have significant impact on CPU performance. The chart simply shows that a cpu like an i3 will not be a bottleneck when it comes to SoM. Whatever bottleneck there is will be your GPU or something else.

Also, yes, a 780Ti costs a lot but again, the point of that chart was to show a cpu benchmark, not GPU.. The point that I am getting at is that an i3 + 280X can run SoM fairly easily in high settings which is shown on the benchmark. Yes, you won't be getting perfect results but the results will be close enough

And yes, the ps3 is getting some ports but thats what happens in a transition period... A lot of gaming PCs are direct X 11 capable and they have been for a very long time now hence why developers aren't bothering too much with dx9 and soon enough, there won't be any cross platform games either so it overall won't even matter soon enough. And if you follow PC gaming, its pretty easy to see the DX11/DX12 will be here to stay for a very long time and Nvidia has already stated that all DX11 GPUs will be getting a free DX12 update so stuff like that won't happen. And not to mention that Dx12 will be bringing much more "console level" optomizations to PCs with sigifinatly less overhead than DX11 which = more performance for games that decide to use it.

And PCs in general offer much more things than consoles do. Apart from the countless things that a PC can do other than being able to play games, Steam offers sales where 6500 games go on sale as well as AAA games that are releases a couple of months ago go on sale for 50%+. And not to mention how much other features that it has which are free that PS+/XBL require u to pay for. And of course, it has backwards compatiblity so that as you upgrade, you can still play ur old games unlike what you can do with a ps3/ps4/360/x1. Sure, you can keep ur ps3/360 but eventually, they will either break or get lost and you wouldn't be able to play those games on ur ps4/x1 unless u get another ps3/360. And there are plenty more benefits to PC gaming like mods and etc which you should be aware of since you are a so called "former pc gamer"

I never cared about mods, dealing with windows, installing games and fixing some issues to run the games properly is allready a hazzle enough for me, and mods for me felt always cheap. Yes you can make the characters naked with mods, but you cant add breast physics in the games just one example if you understand my logic here. Mods feel just cheap to me, i would take original content from the original devoloper at any day over mods.

That backwards compatibility on pc is a myth, yes you can install the games but that doesnt mean they will run. Have you ever tried to play  windows 95 games? These games wont even run on XP, i still have XP on my computer installed so i can play some older games like mgs2 for example or silent hill 3 which crashes on w7. Its much easier just to buy an older console again from ebay etc. than trying to run older pc games. And what costs a ps2? nothing. Yes some older consoles went up in price but its mostly the really really old stuff when PCs didnt exist or niche consoles. 

Steam sales arent cheaper than console games if anything they are more expensive, the evil within for example. I bought this game from amazon for 38€ while on steam it still costs 60€. How is steam cheaper? it might get cheaper if youre right and it drops 50% to 30€ in a steam sale. But why should i wait for this day? If console retail games constantly drop in price day after day why should i wait? And used games like the evil within are even more cheaper which costs 30€ on amazon.

Its a fact that console retail games are cheaper than steam games as indepedent retailers and resellers can react and have a say there too on the price, on steam its only valve and the publishers/devolopers who set the price. And used console games are even more cheaper like i said. And you dont have to wait for a day, its happening in real time after the game launches thanks to the open market.

Sorry i wanted to led this thread die but i hate these certain PC myths you brought up

Mods add plenty of things in games including new ways to play games as well as plenty of new levels into the game. All you gotta do is explore some more

Backwards compatiblity is certainly not a myth... Yes, you can't really play Windows 95/98/ME/2000 games all too well but Windows XP games is certainly something that you can play. Sure, not all games will work but there are plenty of ways to find a fix for the games that don't if you would simply take some time to do some googling in a lot of cases and whatever the amount of games that do work by default is more than anything that consoles offer. I have had plenty of games from windows XP work on windows 8.1 with little tweaking here and here. At its worst, I have to download some patches and there we go. And it almost doesn't matter if a ps2 is cheap, it still costs money and not to mention, with PCs, you can play old console games in 1080p.

And yes, Steam is significantly cheaper than consoles... And if you actually paid attention to steam before, you would know that many games get heavly discounted after a couple of months of release during sales... The Evil Within for example, got discounted to $20 on steam at the end of November... Thats not even much waiting at all. All you had to do is wait a month and a half and it was obvious that games like that would get discounted cause they do during the christmas sale that happens every year.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/steam-fall-sale-begins-watch-dogs-for-30-the-evil-/1100-6423846/

And not to mention that the Evil within costed a lot more on consoles during the psn christmas sales...

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/482738/the-evil-within-and-the-walking-dead-join-psn-12-deals-of-christmas-sale/

And not to mention that during Steams Christmas and Summer sales, over 6500 games goes on sale... PSN has like what? Not even a quarter of that? And Steam has over 2000 games daily that are under $5 and 4000 games that are under $10 with over 50 games going on sale every week and you can play select entire games for free for each weekend (AAA and Indie). And thats just a start, there are so many more things that steam does better and all you have to do is pay attention. Oh and it does all that while being free compared to ps+ which is $60/year which = $300 over the course of 5 years... And of course, if you are going to go out of PSN and Steam, there are plenty of sites like amazon, humble bundle, greenman gaming and etc that discount games for PC/Steam a lot as well. Greenman gaming gives a lot of pre-order discounts to many AAA games

But yea, if you truly think that all of those are so called "myths," then you really havn't paid attention to PC gaming at all.



                  

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SnesTea on 13 February 2015
RolStoppable said:
I have no idea about PC gaming, but I guess this article is saying that PC gamers who have a rig from 2007 should upgrade their PC.

It is. Also, I hate your new avatar.



OnlyForDisplay on 13 February 2015

My goodness.. such bias, backed up by horrendous information. PC Gaming is still an excellent option. Yes, the requirements are more demanding, but the companies that are "optimizing" it are not doing a good job at all; Ubisoft being a prime example. Even if companies like Ubisoft are not accounted for, the specs. the article is listing easily goes far back to 2007-2008 in terms of what people may have. Specs. are much more advanced and far more affordable; provided we are accounting for DDR3 memory. DDR4 will be readily available soon, so that adds further discredit towards the article as well. Seems a bit too much of a lure to cause a knee jerk reaction if you ask me. :/



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FragilE^ on 13 February 2015

About games being expensive on steam when they are new: Don't buy them on steam. Many online retailers sell games much cheaper, and still provide steam codes (magic, I know). So uhm. Yeah.



Scoobes on 13 February 2015
Ruler said:
Captain_Yuri said:

The point of the benchmark is to show that when there is no bottleneck for the CPU, that is the fps that you will be recieving... And resolution doesn't have significant impact on CPU performance. The chart simply shows that a cpu like an i3 will not be a bottleneck when it comes to SoM. Whatever bottleneck there is will be your GPU or something else.

Also, yes, a 780Ti costs a lot but again, the point of that chart was to show a cpu benchmark, not GPU.. The point that I am getting at is that an i3 + 280X can run SoM fairly easily in high settings which is shown on the benchmark. Yes, you won't be getting perfect results but the results will be close enough

And yes, the ps3 is getting some ports but thats what happens in a transition period... A lot of gaming PCs are direct X 11 capable and they have been for a very long time now hence why developers aren't bothering too much with dx9 and soon enough, there won't be any cross platform games either so it overall won't even matter soon enough. And if you follow PC gaming, its pretty easy to see the DX11/DX12 will be here to stay for a very long time and Nvidia has already stated that all DX11 GPUs will be getting a free DX12 update so stuff like that won't happen. And not to mention that Dx12 will be bringing much more "console level" optomizations to PCs with sigifinatly less overhead than DX11 which = more performance for games that decide to use it.

And PCs in general offer much more things than consoles do. Apart from the countless things that a PC can do other than being able to play games, Steam offers sales where 6500 games go on sale as well as AAA games that are releases a couple of months ago go on sale for 50%+. And not to mention how much other features that it has which are free that PS+/XBL require u to pay for. And of course, it has backwards compatiblity so that as you upgrade, you can still play ur old games unlike what you can do with a ps3/ps4/360/x1. Sure, you can keep ur ps3/360 but eventually, they will either break or get lost and you wouldn't be able to play those games on ur ps4/x1 unless u get another ps3/360. And there are plenty more benefits to PC gaming like mods and etc which you should be aware of since you are a so called "former pc gamer"

I never cared about mods, dealing with windows, installing games and fixing some issues to run the games properly is allready a hazzle enough for me, and mods for me felt always cheap. Yes you can make the characters naked with mods, but you cant add breast physics in the games just one example if you understand my logic here. Mods feel just cheap to me, i would take original content from the original devoloper at any day over mods.

That backwards compatibility on pc is a myth, yes you can install the games but that doesnt mean they will run. Have you ever tried to play  windows 95 games? These games wont even run on XP, i still have XP on my computer installed so i can play some older games like mgs2 for example or silent hill 3 which crashes on w7. Its much easier just to buy an older console again from ebay etc. than trying to run older pc games. And what costs a ps2? nothing. Yes some older consoles went up in price but its mostly the really really old stuff when PCs didnt exist or niche consoles. 

Steam sales arent cheaper than console games if anything they are more expensive, the evil within for example. I bought this game from amazon for 38€ while on steam it still costs 60€. How is steam cheaper? it might get cheaper if youre right and it drops 50% to 30€ in a steam sale. But why should i wait for this day? If console retail games constantly drop in price day after day why should i wait? And used games like the evil within are even more cheaper which costs 30€ on amazon.

Its a fact that console retail games are cheaper than steam games as indepedent retailers and resellers can react and have a say there too on the price, on steam its only valve and the publishers/devolopers who set the price. And used console games are even more cheaper like i said. And you dont have to wait for a day, its happening in real time after the game launches thanks to the open market.

Sorry i wanted to led this thread die but i hate these certain PC myths you brought up

Wow... really showing your ignorance on the topic here.




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Ruler on 13 February 2015
Captain_Yuri said:
Ruler said:
Captain_Yuri said:

The point of the benchmark is to show that when there is no bottleneck for the CPU, that is the fps that you will be recieving... And resolution doesn't have significant impact on CPU performance. The chart simply shows that a cpu like an i3 will not be a bottleneck when it comes to SoM. Whatever bottleneck there is will be your GPU or something else.

Also, yes, a 780Ti costs a lot but again, the point of that chart was to show a cpu benchmark, not GPU.. The point that I am getting at is that an i3 + 280X can run SoM fairly easily in high settings which is shown on the benchmark. Yes, you won't be getting perfect results but the results will be close enough

And yes, the ps3 is getting some ports but thats what happens in a transition period... A lot of gaming PCs are direct X 11 capable and they have been for a very long time now hence why developers aren't bothering too much with dx9 and soon enough, there won't be any cross platform games either so it overall won't even matter soon enough. And if you follow PC gaming, its pretty easy to see the DX11/DX12 will be here to stay for a very long time and Nvidia has already stated that all DX11 GPUs will be getting a free DX12 update so stuff like that won't happen. And not to mention that Dx12 will be bringing much more "console level" optomizations to PCs with sigifinatly less overhead than DX11 which = more performance for games that decide to use it.

And PCs in general offer much more things than consoles do. Apart from the countless things that a PC can do other than being able to play games, Steam offers sales where 6500 games go on sale as well as AAA games that are releases a couple of months ago go on sale for 50%+. And not to mention how much other features that it has which are free that PS+/XBL require u to pay for. And of course, it has backwards compatiblity so that as you upgrade, you can still play ur old games unlike what you can do with a ps3/ps4/360/x1. Sure, you can keep ur ps3/360 but eventually, they will either break or get lost and you wouldn't be able to play those games on ur ps4/x1 unless u get another ps3/360. And there are plenty more benefits to PC gaming like mods and etc which you should be aware of since you are a so called "former pc gamer"

I never cared about mods, dealing with windows, installing games and fixing some issues to run the games properly is allready a hazzle enough for me, and mods for me felt always cheap. Yes you can make the characters naked with mods, but you cant add breast physics in the games just one example if you understand my logic here. Mods feel just cheap to me, i would take original content from the original devoloper at any day over mods.

That backwards compatibility on pc is a myth, yes you can install the games but that doesnt mean they will run. Have you ever tried to play  windows 95 games? These games wont even run on XP, i still have XP on my computer installed so i can play some older games like mgs2 for example or silent hill 3 which crashes on w7. Its much easier just to buy an older console again from ebay etc. than trying to run older pc games. And what costs a ps2? nothing. Yes some older consoles went up in price but its mostly the really really old stuff when PCs didnt exist or niche consoles. 

Steam sales arent cheaper than console games if anything they are more expensive, the evil within for example. I bought this game from amazon for 38€ while on steam it still costs 60€. How is steam cheaper? it might get cheaper if youre right and it drops 50% to 30€ in a steam sale. But why should i wait for this day? If console retail games constantly drop in price day after day why should i wait? And used games like the evil within are even more cheaper which costs 30€ on amazon.

Its a fact that console retail games are cheaper than steam games as indepedent retailers and resellers can react and have a say there too on the price, on steam its only valve and the publishers/devolopers who set the price. And used console games are even more cheaper like i said. And you dont have to wait for a day, its happening in real time after the game launches thanks to the open market.

Sorry i wanted to led this thread die but i hate these certain PC myths you brought up

Mods add plenty of things in games including new ways to play games as well as plenty of new levels into the game. All you gotta do is explore some more

Backwards compatiblity is certainly not a myth... Yes, you can't really play Windows 95/98/ME/2000 games all too well but Windows XP games is certainly something that you can play. Sure, not all games will work but there are plenty of ways to find a fix for the games that don't if you would simply take some time to do some googling in a lot of cases and whatever the amount of games that do work by default is more than anything that consoles offer. I have had plenty of games from windows XP work on windows 8.1 with little tweaking here and here. At its worst, I have to download some patches and there we go. And it almost doesn't matter if a ps2 is cheap, it still costs money and not to mention, with PCs, you can play old console games in 1080p.

And yes, Steam is significantly cheaper than consoles... And if you actually paid attention to steam before, you would know that many games get heavly discounted after a couple of months of release during sales... The Evil Within for example, got discounted to $20 on steam at the end of November... Thats not even much waiting at all. All you had to do is wait a month and a half and it was obvious that games like that would get discounted cause they do during the christmas sale that happens every year.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/steam-fall-sale-begins-watch-dogs-for-30-the-evil-/1100-6423846/

And not to mention that the Evil within costed a lot more on consoles during the psn christmas sales...

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/482738/the-evil-within-and-the-walking-dead-join-psn-12-deals-of-christmas-sale/

And not to mention that during Steams Christmas and Summer sales, over 6500 games goes on sale... PSN has like what? Not even a quarter of that? And Steam has over 2000 games daily that are under $5 and 4000 games that are under $10 with over 50 games going on sale every week and you can play select entire games for free for each weekend (AAA and Indie). And thats just a start, there are so many more things that steam does better and all you have to do is pay attention. Oh and it does all that while being free compared to ps+ which is $60/year which = $300 over the course of 5 years... And of course, if you are going to go out of PSN and Steam, there are plenty of sites like amazon, humble bundle, greenman gaming and etc that discount games for PC/Steam a lot as well. Greenman gaming gives a lot of pre-order discounts to many AAA games

But yea, if you truly think that all of those are so called "myths," then you really havn't paid attention to PC gaming at all.

Windows XP costs also money. Googling around to fix something costs time which is also money for me, or other things i could do to enjoy my self or are more productive. Yes pc can play older console games but with bugs and other issues attached to it who are likley to come with. I am not a fan of emulation, even on the ps3 i dont like playing psone games despite looking better with progressive scan, because some games have bugs and thats probably the best ps1 emulator ever made.

Whats the difference between 20$ and 38 or 30$ used? i rather preffer getting my games cheaper at any time than being dependent on some sales who are very limited events per year. And i am pretty sure you will find similiar limited deals on consoles too, new or used. 

Steam has more games thats because pc has more games, i can also count ps2, ps3 and ps4 together as steam exists now for a long time. And most titles there are indie games now.

Paying for online sucks but in defence i have to say that the ps4 allows you to play free to play titles online like war thunder. And PlayStarion+ costs 50$ per year and you get a bunch of games you can play during the time of your subscription. PS3 is still free.

I dont play online so far because i am pretty much tired of online games except for tekken which doesnt exist on the ps4 yet. I am much more intterested into single player expeirences. But at least with console online services youre gurenteed to get no cheaters unlike on pc and many games still have an online mode. On pc youre dependend on the community, if no one wants to host or pay a service provider to host a server there is no online mode. 



Why i left PC gaming

 

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