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Sony stores don't exist in Canada anymore (they all closed on Sunday) and don't in the US either, leaving the few left only in Europe. And there where never ANY Nintendo stores in Canada (or anywhere for that matter) either. So that just leaves the Microsoft Store for me, so I'll just shove out the Nintendo and Sony out of the picture. Though yes I actually would support the idea.



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Mr Khan said:
Landguy said:
Digital only is just a matter of time.

So, no.

You overestimate the amount of fucks U.S. broadband companies will give. Digital-only would crush a sizable part of the U.S. market, as well as do bad damage in emerging markets.


Over 99% of the US population has access to broadband.(http://www.broadbandmap.gov/blog/)

Of course, that number is much smaller outside the US.  But, when you look at who is buying the consoles, 90% of them are being sold into countries that have high % of broadband availability.  Most games are now designed to have internet functions(DLC/multiplayer/leaderboards).  Most digital versions are allowing early downloads prior to release.

Thus, the form of delivery is moot.  The need for retail is only getting smaller.  10 years ago, most stores had large sections of music CDs.  TOday, you will be lucky to find much in the store at all.  Just think if the music would have enhanced capabilities if it was hooked to the internet?  THere wouldn't be any music in stores.

Emerging markets are mostly PS3/360 markets(mostly).  The cost of shipping/packaging and giving up a shar of the margins to retail is reason enough to pass on the merging markets if needed.  Or, they could simply release physical copies in those markets only.



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Nah, it is a bad idea. There is no benefit to them. Just more costs. Licensing would be a pain, and it would make for easier piracy. Also banks make money by investing your money. So it would just be a huge cost without any benefit for at all for them



Landguy said:
Mr Khan said:

You overestimate the amount of fucks U.S. broadband companies will give. Digital-only would crush a sizable part of the U.S. market, as well as do bad damage in emerging markets.


Over 99% of the US population has access to broadband.(http://www.broadbandmap.gov/blog/)

Of course, that number is much smaller outside the US.  But, when you look at who is buying the consoles, 90% of them are being sold into countries that have high % of broadband availability.  Most games are now designed to have internet functions(DLC/multiplayer/leaderboards).  Most digital versions are allowing early downloads prior to release.

Thus, the form of delivery is moot.  The need for retail is only getting smaller.  10 years ago, most stores had large sections of music CDs.  TOday, you will be lucky to find much in the store at all.  Just think if the music would have enhanced capabilities if it was hooked to the internet?  THere wouldn't be any music in stores.

Emerging markets are mostly PS3/360 markets(mostly).  The cost of shipping/packaging and giving up a shar of the margins to retail is reason enough to pass on the merging markets if needed.  Or, they could simply release physical copies in those markets only.

Have to look at what the US government defines as "broadband", though. You're not downloading Xenoblade X or GTAV on that, i can tell you.



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super6646 said:

Sony stores don't exist in Canada anymore (they all closed on Sunday) and don't in the US either, leaving the few left only in Europe. And there where never ANY Nintendo stores in Canada (or anywhere for that matter) either. So that just leaves the Microsoft Store for me, so I'll just shove out the Nintendo and Sony out of the picture. Though yes I actually would support the idea.


The OP means PSN, eShop and XBLA download stores :)

I'd certainly love the option to buy physical versions of games. Some of the best games this last decade are now digital only and it saddens me because I like looking at a shelf full of software. Especially annoying on Vita where there are quite a lot of really good games begging for a physical release that take up a lot of memory card space.



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thats a really good idea, i like that



the_real_dsister44 said:
Nah, it is a bad idea. There is no benefit to them. Just more costs. Licensing would be a pain, and it would make for easier piracy. Also banks make money by investing your money. So it would just be a huge cost without any benefit for at all for them


Explain how it would make it any easier with pircay? Has the PS4 or 1 been cracked yet? Do you see people playing burnt discs or somehow stealing digital content? 

There's plenty of mutual benefit.  This could essentially give DRM back to the Publisher. For instance if you were to buy a digital game, it's tied to your account. Well if you wanted to trade it in for a physical copy, that too could be tied to your account so that it wouldn't work on other consoles that weren't activated using your credentials, but still save the hassle of having to be online to play.

 

I don't think he meant a bank in the traditional sense either, it'd be more of a video game bank that holds copies of games that you'd be able to access for content you've already purchased.  I do think that a system like this could be feasible 



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Explain how it would make it any easier with pircay? Has the PS4 or 1 been cracked yet? Do you see people playing burnt discs or somehow stealing digital content? 

There's plenty of mutual benefit.  This could essentially give DRM back to the Publisher. For instance if you were to buy a digital game, it's tied to your account. Well if you wanted to trade it in for a physical copy, that too could be tied to your account so that it wouldn't work on other consoles that weren't activated using your credentials, but still save the hassle of having to be online to play.

 

I don't think he meant a bank in the traditional sense either, it'd be more of a video game bank that holds copies of games that you'd be able to access for content you've already purchased.  I do think that a system like this could be feasible 

Ok, if you were to print indie games on discs. They would either need to have factories mass producing the discs. Which would thrust an unfair cost on the indie developer/publishe, or have a way for the console manufacturer to print the disc right there in store. 

Now the first one isn't viable  economicall or due to time constraints. Oh, you want a copy of Shadow Complex on disc? Yeah, we stopped printing those three years ago. This also opens indie devs up the the fun of used game sales which they could have been hoping to avoid. Not to mention their are large costs associated with maintaining an inventory 

Which leaves you with the second solution. Having the console makers revoke your license and print you out a disc. It wouldn't take long before this process is hacked and the games are easily creatable by malicious users. Not to mention this would kind of get rid of some of the point of why OP wanted this. If we take this route you won't get a custom boxart or disc. It would probably be a box like you get at gamestop with a black and white picture on the cover. 

And your idea for drm while it sounds good would run into problems pretty quickly. Is it tied to the console or the account? Is their a console limit? How are they going to police that? Are they going to do what Sony did with account sharing before they nixed that idea? Where if you had a full game only one console could play the game in a 24 hour period? Or are we going to implment always online drm just to make sure that the right account is using it 

Their are already systems like this in place. They don't work all that well. Hasbro and Wizards of the Coast have been doing this with MtGO for years. If you get a full set of a release you can pay a small fee to get the paper version while removing them from your collection. The problem is they will only do it for the sets currently in print and the price has been rising exponentially for the past few years to make up for the fact that it is cheaper to buy a full set online than it is on paper. 

Edit 2: and as Super said above. How are we going to distribute these discs. Sony's stores have collapsed in the past year. Ninty has a couple(one?). Microsoft has the largest amount of stores, but even then their retail presence is pretty paltry compared to say stores like Gamestop. Which if this process were to be adopted would probably be the biggest name in the industry 



Squeezol said:
Ruler said:


Not me, i can play old games as well

Of course, but I'm just talking about new games that in the future might not come out physically anymore because digital games will take over completely.

we still have vinyll records and CDs I think we're good for awhile in gaming where the storage is much more of an issue




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