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Intrinsic said:
Cheebee said:

$250 for a dedicated handheld gaming system is very, very expensive. $400 for a high-end home console isn't. Besides, it's all about perceived value, in any case. $500-$800 phones sell better than PS4, according to your logic that shouldn't happen.

You talk perceived value then wonder why cell phones sell better than consoles? A smartphone is pretty much bought by everyone. Everyone. Most people even buy them as fashion accessories. A console is going to only be bought by people that want to play games. For that specific reason. 

A 3DS is a console, albeit a portable one. And at $250 its not expensive for a handheld. Or for a gaming device for that matter. Cause its well under the impulse buy price point. Much easier for a kid to convince his parents to spend $250 for a games console than to spend $400 for a console. That's why the majority of the early adopters for home consoles are teens and adults while the majority of handheld console owners are pre-teens. 

And my "logic" specifically points out that comparisons should be made against similar platforms/devices. So we shouldn't even be comparing home consoles to mobile consoles (two completely different application scenarios) much less comparing a home console to a phone. So of you want to compare anything to anything, compare the PS4 to the XB1 or WiiU all in relation to their prices and with reference to how similarly priced home consoles performed in the past in relation to the different price points. 

But back on the 3DS front, its doing poorly now cause smart phones are beginning to directly compete with it, 5yrs ago you ask a 10 year old what they want for Christmas and they will say a 3DS, today they will ask for an iPhone. 

$250 is very expensive for a dedicated portable gaming system, especially in the current economical and social landscape - regardless of what you personally believe. It's why 3DS flopped hard after launch, and Nintendo dropped its price to $170. And make no mistake, 3DS was doing extremely poorly prior to its pricecut. That's not even mentioning Vita. You do not decide what's expensive and what's not, the market does. That's perceived value.



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NavyNut said:
Where's the 17th of Jan chart ?


Come and gone... Look at the sales discussion or latest charts subforums.



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Cheebee said:

$250 is very expensive for a dedicated portable gaming system, especially in the current economical and social landscape - regardless of what you personally believe. It's why 3DS flopped hard after launch, and Nintendo dropped its price to $170. And make no mistake, 3DS was doing extremely poorly prior to its pricecut. That's not even mentioning Vita. You do not decide what's expensive and what's not, the market does. That's perceived value.

You are either not reading my posts, or only seeing what you want to see. 

I know the price was dropped from $250 to under $200. I said that. I also pointed out that the time frame in question the 3DS was under $200. I also know that in the present "socioeconomic" climate dedicated handhelds aren't hot items. people tend to be more into phones now. I also pointed this out. I am right with you on the whole perceived value boat, that's why I keep trying to point out that devices in different markets compete differently. A 3DS is more in competition with a phone than it or he phone could ever be in competition with a home console. If you cannot tell the difference or understand my reasoning here then I'm sorry. 

If you are going to gauge the value of an item, then at least compare that item to other items that have the same usage case scenario. I would think that this would be obvious. 

If none of this makes sense to you, maybe we should just agree to disagree. 



Skeptical about NA numbers for both PS4 and Xb one. But PS4 ahead 3 weeks in a row feels right because it aligns with Amazon and other online retailer best seller lists.

UK numbers still seem a bit strange, well less so for this week, but still seeing sales reverse order from December for the first 2 weeks of January doesn't seem to have any rationale.

Nice to see Sunset Overdrive still in the chart for UK. A shame it's fallen off for USA.

Ass Creed is benefiting hugely from the Xb one bundle. For an Ass Creed game it is an actual flop on PS4, in the USA. And I can imagine without the bundling it would be a worse flop on Xb one. So the bundle has at least doubled the user base for Ass Creed on Xb one. I think there is a strong chance of ACU not breaking 1 million on PS4 in the USA. OTOH, it appears VGC is counting the digital sales for ACU / BF on Xb one that come with the Bundle, which means there isn't an apples to apples comparison with the PS4 numbers. It is probably the case that hard copy sales are higher on PS4.



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celador said:
DonFerrari said:
Same general feeling for 3 weeks and seeing how all the numbers stacked in delay and are being released really close to one another it makes me fell they all came from the same data and just some offsets for normal drop.

NPD will be really interesting, Sony PR for 20M or next quarter report will present really amusing data.

Doubt there will be official PR for 20 million sold through.  Seems pointless when they recently announced 18.5

They announced end of 2014 sell through. I think Sony willl definitely announce "over 20 million" in its end of FY report. After all, despite having a very good December quarter the are still on target to make a substantial book loss (albeit a cashflow surplus) for the full year, and countering it with as much good news as possible will help with the over all market reaction.



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DolPhanTendo said:

I'm glad most of do not run a business because if you constantly worrying about the other guys you will fail *coughSEGAcough*. Nintendo's numbers are up on WiiU sales for the 4th strait week this is what I like to call profit and good for business.
PS3 will still be a little higher at times due to other countries like that are poorer and are behind a handful of years so that is not a big deal. Look at the big three WiiU is around 40,000(rounded) PS3 is around 34,000(rounded) so WiiU is not lower


So if you simply disregard parts of the market; your product comes out on top? I'm glad you're not running a business either, this is not how global shipping and distribution works for any product. Sales being up is not automatically tied to profits and being good for business either, especially since it is said that Nintendo are losing money on each unit; if this is the case then software should be the most desired sale of them all to cover costs, five products on the top 20 software are on Nintendo platforms despite the 3DS being the second best-selling console globally, there is much to be desired for them here if they want to make a significant amount of money.

10 items selling at a loss per unit = a loss. 100 items selling at a loss per unit = loss. 43.000 items selling at a loss per unit = shockingly enough; a loss.



GamechaserBE said:
Nate4Drake said:

A rate based upon a week ?? Of course I believe PS4 will sell much more than 10K above X1 and WiiU combined as an average by end of march 2015.

So you still think it will happen in March =p?

Maybe 49.5% by end of march ? :)        



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Nate4Drake said:
GamechaserBE said:

So you still think it will happen in March =p?

Maybe 49.5% by end of march ? :)        

Is achievable =p.



Troll_Whisperer said:

http://hub.vgchartz.com/assets/images2/title-bar-bg.jpg) 0px 0px repeat scroll transparent;margin: auto;">Weekly Hardware Chart 24th January 2015

 

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Sorry, one of those was me :(, forgive me, japan.