Sounds a lot like MGS4 to me, and it is a good game, now all of a sudden it is a bad thing in The Order 1886, and its focus is storytelling. Mind blown.

It seems to me people stop concidering games for their fun factor, and storytelling.

Most people do not rush to play a game in order to prove how short it is or to make sure their subscribers don't get bored. 10 - 12 hours represents your normal gamer. The lower times are people with no appreciation of anything but running and gunning through a story driven game with lots of secrets to be found.

Yeah MGS4 was great, and I actually liked the cutscenes...imagine MGS4 without the cutscenes, and trying to keep up with the plot...yeah, better start taking notes, and then go back to the previous games to take further notes to be compiled into a series of novels that explain what the fuck went on.

Yes, because is the same make a speedrun of a game that you have playe it like a thousand times than play it for the very first time and beat it on 5:20 hours.

I´m reading so much nonsense on this thread, now any game is short at all, because you can even finish Ocarina on 20 minutes, so now the duration is so so so relative that makes NO SENSE.

Like I said, I can't argue in the context of MGS4 as I've never played it. I have played Twin Snakes and that was nothing like the order, but who knows how the series has changed. I highly doubt MGS4 has shooting gallery style segments though, as it is primarily a stealth game...

Anyways, there is nothing wrong with storytelling in games, but games should play to the strengths of the medium. When I read a book that plays to the strengths of cinema, I criticize it, because it just doesn't feel right. Each medium has their strengths and weaknesses, so writing a video game story as if it was a movie is just silly, and constantly breaks the immersion. Like I've said before, things like on screen button presses during tense sequences, or badly implemented fail states just break you right out of the immersion.

Like I said, I can't argue in the context of MGS4 as I've never played it. I have played Twin Snakes and that was nothing like the order, but who knows how the series has changed. I highly doubt MGS4 has shooting gallery style segments though, as it is primarily a stealth game...

Anyways, there is nothing wrong with storytelling in games, but games should play to the strengths of the medium. When I read a book that plays to the strengths of cinema, I criticize it, because it just doesn't feel right. Each medium has their strengths and weaknesses, so writing a video game story as if it was a movie is just silly, and constantly breaks the immersion. Like I've said before, things like on screen button presses during tense sequences, or badly implemented fail states just break you right out of the immersion.

But will give you them the gratification and leave your post up?