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Ruler said:
No suprise there the ps4 is more powerful for the following reasons
- it has stronger gpu
- it has gddr 5 ram vs xbox ones ddr 3 ram, xbone has the esRam bur its very tiny only 32mb and doesnt has that much more mhz
- the cpu is also more powerfull because the ps4 has also an extra arm cpu with 256mb ram running the OS, meaning it runs its main cpu at full capacity for gaming despite having lower clockrate than the cpu of the xbox one

Thats the 3 main reasons why the ps4 is more powerfull.


The third point isn't true as games don't have any benefit from the arm processor. You can't add that ram and "cpu power" to the main computing part. Especially as it is not running the OS, Sony took 2 cores from the 8 available to run the OS.

The arm is to take care of the recording the last 15 minutes played.



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walsufnir said:

The arm is to take care of the recording the last 15 minutes played.

Where are those 15 minutes being buffered?



LemonSlice said:
walsufnir said:

The arm is to take care of the recording the last 15 minutes played.

Where are those 15 minutes being buffered?


I think we don't know exactly and I don't know how big the files are so either

- Arm ram

- PS4 ram (3 GB reserved for "OS")

- Disk.



walsufnir said:
LemonSlice said:

Where are those 15 minutes being buffered?


I think we don't know exactly and I don't know how big the files are so either

- Arm ram

- PS4 ram (3 GB reserved for "OS")

- Disk.

It goes to system ram, takes up about 1GB. The DDR3 for the arm background processor is too small, and it would take up too much hdd bandwidth, and wear it out. I do think that GDDR5 is wasted used as that and it would have been great to have 4GB DDR3 for system stuff, then the full 8GB GDDR5 and 176GB/s for games. But costs more :(



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beeje13 said:
walsufnir said:


I think we don't know exactly and I don't know how big the files are so either

- Arm ram

- PS4 ram (3 GB reserved for "OS")

- Disk.

It goes to system ram, takes up about 1GB. The DDR3 for the arm background processor is too small, and it would take up too much hdd bandwidth, and wear it out. I do think that GDDR5 is wasted used as that and it would have been great to have 4GB DDR3 for system stuff, then the full 8GB GDDR5 and 176GB/s for games. But costs more :(


Do you have any evidence for this? I would be surprised by this as writing this to the main ram would definitely make games suffer, i.e. write load to the main ram would stop other processes (games) from having all resources available at all time (not by much, but still).



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beeje13 said:
walsufnir said:


I think we don't know exactly and I don't know how big the files are so either

- Arm ram

- PS4 ram (3 GB reserved for "OS")

- Disk.

It goes to system ram, takes up about 1GB. The DDR3 for the arm background processor is too small, and it would take up too much hdd bandwidth, and wear it out. I do think that GDDR5 is wasted used as that and it would have been great to have 4GB DDR3 for system stuff, then the full 8GB GDDR5 and 176GB/s for games. But costs more :(

Nope. The PS4 OS has a certain HDD OS reserve. So when you buy a new console or install in a new HDD, you notice you have considerably less HDD space available than how much space you would have had if you just put the HDD in an external case and plugged it to your computer. when plugging in a new 500GB HDD to a computer, you should expect at least 465GB of free space, on the PS4 only around 408GB is available out if the box. 

That HDD reserve is how the OS caches PSN data including the Game DVR. The arm processor is basically used as a download manager and I suspect also for the game DVR/screen shot stuff. having an entirely desperate processor that overlays/underlays whatever is happening is a way to ensure stability. 

As nice as having a desperate DDR chip just for the OS, that would have complicated the system too much. Eventually it would have been cheaper for them to have just put in an extra 4GB of gddr5. But hey, having 5GB available to devs now is plenty enough, and in the next 2 years chances are that figure can go up to as much as 6.5GB. 



walsufnir said:
Ruler said:
No suprise there the ps4 is more powerful for the following reasons
- it has stronger gpu
- it has gddr 5 ram vs xbox ones ddr 3 ram, xbone has the esRam bur its very tiny only 32mb and doesnt has that much more mhz
- the cpu is also more powerfull because the ps4 has also an extra arm cpu with 256mb ram running the OS, meaning it runs its main cpu at full capacity for gaming despite having lower clockrate than the cpu of the xbox one

Thats the 3 main reasons why the ps4 is more powerfull.


The third point isn't true as games don't have any benefit from the arm processor. You can't add that ram and "cpu power" to the main computing part. Especially as it is not running the OS, Sony took 2 cores from the 8 available to run the OS.

The arm is to take care of the recording the last 15 minutes played.


Not true its running also background operations, cpu benchmarks even saying the main cpu is more powerfull

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/PS4-CPU-More-Powerful-Than-Xbox-One-CPU-According-Benchmark-Test-61203.html



Ruler said:
walsufnir said:


The third point isn't true as games don't have any benefit from the arm processor. You can't add that ram and "cpu power" to the main computing part. Especially as it is not running the OS, Sony took 2 cores from the 8 available to run the OS.

The arm is to take care of the recording the last 15 minutes played.


Not true its running also background operations, cpu benchmarks even saying the main cpu is more powerfull

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/PS4-CPU-More-Powerful-Than-Xbox-One-CPU-According-Benchmark-Test-61203.html

No matter what the arm is doing, it isn't helping making games fly in any way.

And thanks for the link, the same site features a benchmark which says Xbox One CPU is more powerful:

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/PS4-Clobbers-Xbox-One-Ubisoft-GPU-Benchmark-67877.html



i think, 1080p is important for the new consoles.



DialgaMarine said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure we don't have 900p TV's here in the US. So, when A developer says 900p for a console title, that really means 720p for US gamers.


Common bro, im assuming since your screen name is digital Marine that your a 06 most likely a 51 and you dont know about upscaling. ... lets not troll please.

 

Edit. Ima dumbass I misread your screen name XD