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Ka-pi96 said:
Ruler said:

Yep its communism if US companys dont own the market 

No, it's communism when other companies whinge like little bitches because someone else is doing better than them. Capitalism means the good companies become strong and the bad fail and die out, as they should.

If they can't compete, then good riddance.


It's to avoid companies monopolising markets. It's actually good. Just think of the effect it woulf have on us consumers if, for example, 1 company provided electricity. That company could charge what ever it wanted and we would have to just accept it. Competition is good and we need to keep healthy competition going.

If the Xbox App is mandatory for Windows 10 then some companies might have issues with it being on there hardware (Sony laptops etc). I'm not sure if Sony could do anything about it and it certainly doesn't break and monopolising rules.



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Ka-pi96 said:
SWORDF1SH said:

It's to avoid companies monopolising markets. It's actually good. Just think of the effect it woulf have on us consumers if, for example, 1 company provided electricity. That company could charge what ever it wanted and we would have to just accept it. Competition is good and we need to keep healthy competition going.

If the Xbox App is mandatory for Windows 10 then some companies might have issues with it being on there hardware (Sony laptops etc). I'm not sure if Sony could do anything about it and it certainly doesn't break and monopolising rules.

If any company were to have a monopoly like that though where they are taking advantage of their position and charging more then it should theoretically be easy for another company to start competing with them there. Maybe not in some industries, but it's definitely possible for software.

If companies don't want it on their hardware then they could just sell it with a different OS if that's what they want. Although, didn't Sony sell off their laptop business already?

But this is why we have laws against monopolising because if a company gets to powerful and rich it might cost 100 of millions for anoter company to compete. And if a company did start to compete the bigger company will have enough funds to deal with it. Buy outs, multi-million $ marketing etc.

Windows pretty much has a monopoly much OSs. Now they have got a hold of it, we will probably never see a decent challenge to compete with windows.



I don't get the big issue here?

Hell I don't get why there was big issue with IE and windows media player. Users have always had a choice to install others.



 

 

why shoudl sony or valve sue? you can sue, i could sue, everyone could sue...



Ka-pi96 said:

Do we need to see a decent challenge to windows though? They aren't really abusing that position. They aren't massively overcharging or anything. If they were to do that then it shouldn't be difficult for someone else to take a fair chunk of the market by undercutting them even if their product was inferior. If it isn't really possible for anyone to compete with them anymore maybe that's because they are doing a good job and people are happy with it.

The only places I think monopoly laws are really a good idea is on natural resources and stuff, because if someone has a monopoly on that then there really is no way for anyone else to compete.


Microsoft isnt abusing their power because companies like Apple exist, and also because of Anti-trust laws which forced MS to break itself apart when they were sued by the government before. If Google created a rival os MS would go apeshit. They dont just have monopolistic goals for the OS industry but for living room OS driven entertainment( thanks to Sony excelling in videogames). Anywhere it exists, MS will go after it.



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Ka-pi96 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


Microsoft isnt abusing their power because companies like Apple exist, and also because of Anti-trust laws which forced MS to break itself apart when they were sued by the government before. If Google created a rival os MS would go apeshit. They dont just have monopolistic goals for the OS industry but for living room OS driven entertainment( thanks to Sony excelling in videogames). Anywhere it exists, MS will go after it.

That's the point though, isn't it? They didn't want Sony getting a monopoly in the living room so entered the market themselves. They weren't the first company to enter a market for that reason and I'm sure they won't be the last.


LOL No. Microsoft didn't enter the gaming industry to be a white knight. They wanted to partner with Sony and Sony wouldn't let them, so they vowed to take them out. Half the reason why they feel threatened by Sony is because Sony had a computerized OS set on being the end all be all for the living room. Until the Playstation no brand was successful at accomplishing this in the console arena (or the living room arena in general). Sony changed the face of gaming being seen as a multimedia device. Sony in the 90's is the equivalent of Samsung today, which are one of Microsofts biggest competitors in the tablet and android market. Sony's bread and butter is becoming gaming these days.

Microsoft prints money from having a monopoly over the PC OS market. They could throw money at the Xbox until the sun sets for their competitors. The only way to stop a company like Microsoft is to put a dent in its world marketshare for its PC OS. Sony isnt taking anyone out of business, they only expanded the popularity of videogames. Sony didnt put Sega out of business, Sega put Sega out of business (the writing was on the wall). If you look at Nintendos sales since Sony entered the gaming industry, they've profited off of the Nintendo every time (still). 

Microsoft wasnt stopping Sony from becoming a monopoly. If Microsoft succeeds at beating Sony into nothingness, the gaming industry could end up going to the way of the non-apple PC.



Involving sony in PC pretty much shows where you stand......

And Valve? Xbox App and Steam work together for starters. Secondly as usual you can install anything you want so lets not be a complete lazy ass and get mad because a company made something good and decided to include it in their own package.

I guess Nintendo should sue sony for entering the game industry and putting their own software on their own device. Shame on them.  How dare they make something to make their product(s) more enticing.  The nerve of them

Or maybe we should sue Valve for having a monopoly on PC gaming o.O  No that would just be wrong right and makes no sense

 

If you dont like MSFT, so be it, but this is something else.  This just seems like making something out of nothing to me




       

kowenicki said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Less than 33% of their business....  get with the times.  Your 90's early 00's view of the world is... as I keep telling you... out of date, becoming boring (every single thread virtually) and no longer relevant.

Sony Corp isnt a threat in any way shape or form to MS Corp.  They are irrelevant to them.


If this helps at all.  Little outdated but its the newest i could find




       

Ka-pi96 said:
Ruler said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Communism FTW!

Yep its communism if US companys dont own the market 

No, it's communism when other companies whinge like little bitches because someone else is doing better than them. Capitalism means the good companies become strong and the bad fail and die out, as they should.

If they can't compete, then good riddance.

Hopefully Microsoft's abandoning of the open platform model that people have loved them for will lead to other platforms becoming more open or new operating systems arising.



This is the Game of Thrones

Where you either win

or you DIE

Ka-pi96 said:
SlayerRondo said:

Hopefully Microsoft's abandoning of the open platform model that people have loved them for will lead to other platforms becoming more open or new operating systems arising.

Exactly the point I'm making. If people don't like the way Microsoft do things then there is plenty of oppurtunity for someone else do be successful by doing it a different way.

People seem to think that Microsoft has an obligation to keep offering the same type of product because their so popular which is kind off odd in my opinion.

I personally don't like the dircection Microsoft appears to be taking with Windows 10 and will act on this by expressing my displeasure with Microsoft, looking for and purchasing possible alternatives or stick with Windows 7 for a little bit longer.

Microsoft has lasted this long because they have traditionally offered the best OS which benefited from their vast resources but history shows that Empire's do crumble.



This is the Game of Thrones

Where you either win

or you DIE