Giggs_11 said:
marley said:
Giggs_11 said:
Yes because people are born, grow up, go to school, go to high schoo, go to college, get a job, get married, get kids. And has time passes by and people get to do all this things, they get more and more free time to play, right? Not to mention other factors blending in like social factors or people's maturity evolving as time goes by.
I don't need to rely on my "own experiences" to know how the world works, like I said, some things are logical and you can make assumptions without having factual data (i.e., numbers) to know it's true.
I just find it funny that you say that and then use the "I know people who do it" like argument. I mean, on an internet debate you use reason with "I know people who do it"? Really? And then you say that from my own experiences I can't make opinions on something? DOuble standards much?
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No double standard. I was using my own personal experience as a response to your generalizations that no one has ever gotten into gaming as an adult with kids. My own personal experiences were all that was need to refute your misguided speculation.
You are making sweeping generalizations and presenting your unwarranted 'assumptions' as fact, when they are based on nothing more than insufficient evidence & reasoning (your own experiences). Yes, when people grow up they do have time to play games. In fact, when people grow up and have children, they are even more likely to be exposed to games. I'm not even sure what to make of your maturity statement. I hope your are not making more false generalizations that 'mature' people don't like to have fun or play games.
26% of gamers are over 50
48% of parents play video games with their children weekly
Do you really believe that all of those parents were into games before having children? Is it an easy 'assumption' for you that none of them decided to play games as a way to bond with their kids? None of the gamers over 50 started as adults? Really?
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No double standard. I was using my own personal experience as a response to your generalizations that no one has ever gotten into gaming as an adult with kids. My own personal experiences were all that was need to refute your misguided speculation. - Right back at ya
You: 'I'm wearing a grey shirt, so everyone in the world must also be wearing a grey shirt' <--- sweeping generalization based on unwarranted assumption
Me: 'No dude, I'm wearing a white shirt'
You can see the difference right? I never made any generalizations. People do get into gaming as adults. I've witnessed it. It's a fact and in no way a generalization.
You are making sweeping generalizations and presenting your unwarranted 'assumptions' as fact, when they are based on nothing more than insufficient evidence & reasoning (your own experiences). - Again, not my own experiences, logic.
Your 'logic' is rooted in your own personal experiences. Please try to understand.
Yes, when people grow up they do have time to play games. In fact, when people grow up and have children, they are even more likely to be exposed to games. - 1st) The thing is matematically it is impossible to exist more adults that were exposed to gaming when they had children than adults to started off playing as a child. 2) I play with cars with my 2 year old nephew, does that make me audience for the car selling companies? Adults who started playing games with their children do it to entertain their children, the core consumer is the children, not the adult. They have a console that both share probably until the kids are old enough to play alone. After that stop playing games. And even the few ones that actually do, they're not even close to be representative of core market for console companies.
1) No one claimed otherwise. 2) It's an entry and exposure to gaming. They start playing to bond with their children. Some might stop after their children grow up. Some might learn that they enjoy games and continue to game. Hence, people do get into gaming as adults after they have children, which is the whole point if this discussion.
I'm not even sure what to make of your maturity statement. I hope your are not making more false generalizations that 'mature' people don't like to have fun or play games. - To have fun yes, but they tend to find other fun things to do instead of staying at home playing games.
More sweeping generalizations?
26% of gamers are over 50
48% of parents play video games with their children weekly
Againt with the article stats? The article itself says this "adult women gamers" play mostly casual computer/social games. These people do not represent the home console/handheld markets, not by a long stretch. These 50 years old you're talking about play candid crush or farmville on facebook. In fact many "hardcore gamers" who play consoles despise those kinds of games.
I never said that they are the main consumer for home console/handheld markets. You are inventing arguments.
Do you really believe that all of those parents were into games before having children? Is it an easy 'assumption' for you that none of them decided to play games as a way to bond with their kids? None of the gamers over 50 started as adults? Really? First off, I have the slight impression you're taking what I'm saying literally. I don't believe none of adult gamers started playing as an adult, just there are very very few of those cases. And if someone start playing as an adult to bond with their kids, this will happen on the 1st generation of the family (if I have a kid and had never played before in my life except with my son, when he grows up and plays with my grandson, he will be an adult who started playing as kid, so will the grandson, and so on), so the chances of having cases like this are very slim. Besides, most parents nowadays whit kids they will be playing (i.e. young kids) grew up in the Atari, game boy, NES, SNES, Master System, Mega Drive, PC, era. Most of them are already/were players.
So, you admit that it happens. You just don't believe that it happens often (which is fine).
But ok, you don't get this, that's your issue. I'm not discussing this anymore. So for the last time, yes gaming is mainly kids, not so much for adults. Although I agree this stigma is getting weaker since many people who started playing as kids do still play today, just not nearly as much (as it is my case). And when you're having this discussions on Nintendo Vs Sony hardware threads, please don't bring social gaming related articles that say adult women are the biggest demographic in gaming cuz you'll just be making a fool out of yourself.
Cheers!
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