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tbone51 on 05 April 2015
ToraTiger said:
Hedra42 said:

@ bolded: Really? They have added 14 newcomers (15 including the Mii fighters) and dropped 3 from Brawl. (Not including switching the Pokemon trainer with Charizard).

@ underlined: Who, of the new characters, do you consider to be clones?

@ italic: They may have removed story mode, but have you taken into consideration all the new features in Smash for Wii U, or the various new developments and new content that has appeared since you first created this thread?

Any statement that Sakurai has been lazy will need better reasons to back it up than the ones you've given.


Okay, Snake, Lucas, Wolf, Parts of the Pokemon trainer, and Ice Climbers.

Lucina and Dark Pit, Dr. Mario are complete clones. 

Also I acknowlege that they're fixing it slowly, but having to pay for more Characters when the original rooster isnt even optimal is a cok slap by nintendo.   I don't know what work he's doing, as he might be making the game with a very small team, but honestly given all nintendo's assets I think they could have made a much better game than the one who have on Wii U right now, was likely rushed and it shows in the game content and quality. 

Pls stop, especially with the clones argument. And Nintendo arent cock slapping anybody, The roster was done. Be happy we are getting Mewtwo+Lucas and whoever else. 

You apparently havent seen other fighting games in terms of roster+dlc. Example MKX roster # is a bit higher thn previous entry and it has 4 characters that are DLC for $30 (not sure if day 1).

Point is, The roster was good. " While characters like Bowser Jr. and PacMan just don’t play as well, and don’t add very much like the new guys did in Brawl."  Seriously? O.o SSB4 roster has the most unique characters + Moveset out of any SSB game.

You cant cherry pick Dark Pit+Lucina but that argument gets thrown out the window when they would of just been an alph fir Marth+Pit and have less characters in the game. Because THEY DONT TAKE UP SLOTS AT ALL!!!!



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Never on 05 April 2015
ToraTiger said:
Never said:


Earthbound is a very very niche game, as is kid icuras, you're massivly overrating it's popularity.

Google trends has Fire emblem down as many many times more popular than Earthbound. And at no point, even during the small spike of interest during Eathbounds vc release, does Earthbound come anywhere close to completing with Fire Emblem in terms of search results.


You are comparing a game that just had a reboot and one that has consistently made games on almost all Nintendo consoles for the pass 30 years, to a game that hasn't been update in about 13 years, and more than 20 in america.  How is that fair comparison? 


That's the point. You've just explain why fire emblem is more popular than Earthbound.



Hedra42 on 05 April 2015
ToraTiger said:
Hedra42 said:

@ bolded: Really? They have added 14 newcomers (15 including the Mii fighters) and dropped 3 from Brawl. (Not including switching the Pokemon trainer with Charizard).

@ underlined: Who, of the new characters, do you consider to be clones?

@ italic: They may have removed story mode, but have you taken into consideration all the new features in Smash for Wii U, or the various new developments and new content that has appeared since you first created this thread?

Any statement that Sakurai has been lazy will need better reasons to back it up than the ones you've given.


Okay, Snake, Lucas, Wolf, Parts of the Pokemon trainer, and Ice Climbers.

Lucina and Dark Pit, Dr. Mario are complete clones. 

Also I acknowlege that they're fixing it slowly, but having to pay for more Characters when the original rooster isnt even optimal is a cok slap by nintendo.   I don't know what work he's doing, as he might be making the game with a very small team, but honestly given all nintendo's assets I think they could have made a much better game than the one who have on Wii U right now, was likely rushed and it shows in the game content and quality. 

So you admit that 11 of the new characters are unique, and not clones.

Why in your opinion is the original roster not optimal?

What, in your opinion, would have made it a better game?

And you still haven't explained how functioning online is not an improvement on non-functioning online, or how Nintendo's fans keep them from progressing their games.



ToraTiger on 05 April 2015
tbone51 said:
ToraTiger said:


Okay, Snake, Lucas, Wolf, Parts of the Pokemon trainer, and Ice Climbers.

Lucina and Dark Pit, Dr. Mario are complete clones. 

Also I acknowlege that they're fixing it slowly, but having to pay for more Characters when the original rooster isnt even optimal is a cok slap by nintendo.   I don't know what work he's doing, as he might be making the game with a very small team, but honestly given all nintendo's assets I think they could have made a much better game than the one who have on Wii U right now, was likely rushed and it shows in the game content and quality. 

Pls stop, especially with the clones argument. And Nintendo arent cock slapping anybody, The roster was done. Be happy we are getting Mewtwo+Lucas and whoever else. 

You apparently havent seen other fighting games in terms of roster+dlc. Example MKX roster # is a bit higher thn previous entry and it has 4 characters that are DLC for $30 (not sure if day 1).

Point is, The roster was good. " While characters like Bowser Jr. and PacMan just don’t play as well, and don’t add very much like the new guys did in Brawl."  Seriously? O.o SSB4 roster has the most unique characters + Moveset out of any SSB game.

You cant cherry pick Dark Pit+Lucina but that argument gets thrown out the window when they would of just been an alph fir Marth+Pit and have less characters in the game. Because THEY DONT TAKE UP SLOTS AT ALL!!!!


Why should I be happy at what I'm getting since I'm the one who paid for the game? Lol I dont have to sit and eat nintendo's sh!t since they're the ones making the games I like.  Mortal Kombat is a horrible example and is meeting with huge backlash because of the DLC.  How are the clones not taking up slots when Sakurai said himself that it would only have around 50 characters.   And PacMan isn't unique at all. 



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ToraTiger on 05 April 2015
Hedra42 said:
ToraTiger said:
Hedra42 said:

@ bolded: Really? They have added 14 newcomers (15 including the Mii fighters) and dropped 3 from Brawl. (Not including switching the Pokemon trainer with Charizard).

@ underlined: Who, of the new characters, do you consider to be clones?

@ italic: They may have removed story mode, but have you taken into consideration all the new features in Smash for Wii U, or the various new developments and new content that has appeared since you first created this thread?

Any statement that Sakurai has been lazy will need better reasons to back it up than the ones you've given.


Okay, Snake, Lucas, Wolf, Parts of the Pokemon trainer, and Ice Climbers.

Lucina and Dark Pit, Dr. Mario are complete clones. 

Also I acknowlege that they're fixing it slowly, but having to pay for more Characters when the original rooster isnt even optimal is a cok slap by nintendo.   I don't know what work he's doing, as he might be making the game with a very small team, but honestly given all nintendo's assets I think they could have made a much better game than the one who have on Wii U right now, was likely rushed and it shows in the game content and quality. 

So you admit that 11 of the new characters are unique, and not clones.

Why in your opinion is the original roster not optimal?

What, in your opinion, would have made it a better game?

And you still haven't explained how functioning online is not an improvement on non-functioning online, or how Nintendo's fans keep them from progressing their games.

A lot of the new characters are great, like Rosalina and Shulk, but many of them dont hold up well like Pac man. 

What would have made it a better game:

1. Story mode.  (Say whatever you want, but I'm sure it would have been better to have one than not have one)

2.Better choice in characters (King K. Rool, Ridley, Maybe even an FE villian, ect)

3. Better/more stages.  The amount and quality of the stages is laughable.

4. Better stage builder.  This one goes without saying.

5. More selection of trophies that aren't ripped from brawl like 80 percent of the ones on there. 

ect, ect, ect,

Functioning online should have been in Brawl that's for starters, and the Online in Smash 4 still isn't perfect compared to fighters on Last gen PS3.



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ToraTiger on 05 April 2015
Never said:
ToraTiger said:


You are comparing a game that just had a reboot and one that has consistently made games on almost all Nintendo consoles for the pass 30 years, to a game that hasn't been update in about 13 years, and more than 20 in america.  How is that fair comparison? 


That's the point. You've just explain why fire emblem is more popular than Earthbound.

Release an Earthbound 4 on 3DS and we'll see which game is the more popular game.  Pretty sure Earthbound would do numbers far ahead of FE despit its 13 year rest



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qwertyDANIELqwerty on 05 April 2015

Haha.... he... HAHAHAHA! Oh my God. Dear Lord, are you seriously saying that? Are these words from your mouth true? Is this a late April Fools Joke? Seriously, Watch Dogs, Destiny, GTA Rehash Edition, Halo Masterchief Collection, AC Unity?????

Dude, this is sad. I honestly feel bad for you. All your reasons were beyond untrue. I am not just being a nintendo fanboy, if it was on any other console, it is still a great game. You can't just flat out deny a good game.

I am generally sorry you have to miss out on the definitive way to play Smash.



Pavolink on 05 April 2015

I get bored after a couple of hours. Thankfully, there are still Melee and 64.



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tbone51 on 05 April 2015
ToraTiger said:
tbone51 said:


Why should I be happy at what I'm getting since I'm the one who paid for the game? Lol I dont have to sit and eat nintendo's sh!t since they're the ones making the games I like.  

★Lol, you and a very few seem to feel this way, many are praising this game. You seem to be the only one i know that feels like they got ripped off by this game...

Mortal Kombat is a horrible example and is meeting with huge backlash because of the DLC.  

★ Well your right, but other fighting games are similar in pricing to SSB. And SSB wasnt holding back anyone, they were being made after the game was released.

How are the clones not taking up slots when Sakurai said himself that it would only have around 50 characters.  

★Because they arent, Sakurai never stated about 50 characters at all. If Lucina/Dr. Mario/Dark Pit were palette swaps like Alph is to Olimar, we have 46 characters instead of 49. People need to understand this...

And PacMan isn't unique at all. 

★Joke? How the hell isnt he unique? HOW????



ToraTiger on 05 April 2015
tbone51 said:
ToraTiger said:


Why should I be happy at what I'm getting since I'm the one who paid for the game? Lol I dont have to sit and eat nintendo's sh!t since they're the ones making the games I like.  

★Lol, you and a very few seem to feel this way, many are praising this game. You seem to be the only one i know that feels like they got ripped off by this game...

Mortal Kombat is a horrible example and is meeting with huge backlash because of the DLC.  

★ Well your right, but other fighting games are similar in pricing to SSB. And SSB wasnt holding back anyone, they were being made after the game was released.

How are the clones not taking up slots when Sakurai said himself that it would only have around 50 characters.  

★Because they arent, Sakurai never stated about 50 characters at all. If Lucina/Dr. Mario/Dark Pit were palette swaps like Alph is to Olimar, we have 46 characters instead of 49. People need to understand this...

And PacMan isn't unique at all. 

★Joke? How the hell isnt he unique? HOW????

 

Lol it's not that serious.  End of the day I still enjoy Sm4sh, just wished it offered more content compared to the jump from melee to brawl.   It felt like it needs a giant update with more stages, characters, modes, and trophies.   :)



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